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[–] Aberdolf_Lincler 2 points 96 points (+98|-2) ago 

WHY ARE WE YELLING

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[–] gramman74 [S] 1 points 27 points (+28|-1) ago 

Copy and paste title. On a mobile

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[–] Aberdolf_Lincler 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Oh, I feel like an ass now :/

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[–] EndDrugAndOtherWars 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I'll allow it.

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[–] VeinyChild 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I like the cut of your jib. And the look of your veins. :)

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[–] Ruab 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

COPYPASTA!

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[–] Prions_on_the_Brain 12 points 24 points (+36|-12) ago 

It's hard to kill 20 people with a hammer. Just sayin;.

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[–] sng-ign 1 points 32 points (+33|-1) ago 

It's hard to kill 20 people with a hammer. Just sayin;.

You are correct. And terrorists can kill hundreds of people with a correctly rigged explosive vehicle.

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[–] songofrebellion 1 points 19 points (+20|-1) ago 

Well, not with that attitude.

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

It's kinda hard to kill when you are mentally stable too

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[–] wang2chung 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

You are right that the tools are not at fault, but the person wielding them. You neglect many other factors when you imply that it's simply our lack of intelligence that is at fault for the violence. You're from Finland, which has the luxury of homogeneity and quite lacking in cultural, ethnic, and fiscal diversity. These differences may play into many scenarios of confrontational violence here in the US. Now, that's not to defend our silly violent tendencies, but it may play much more of a role than our collective stupidity.

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[–] Pawn 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

a country that probably needs a huge dose of freedom in the shape of an ICBM

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[–] ViolentlyMasticates 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Does it matter? A lot of people from a lot of countries share this sentiment. Canada and Australia allow guns for fun and we share these same sentiments. Same with England and most European countries.

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[–] Karkrash66 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

If it means anything, I fully agree with him and I'm Iranian-Canadian.

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[–] pustulio 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

I mean, he isn't wrong. Any product can be misused. I think the manufacturers of guns shouldn't be held liable for gun violence, people should. It needs to start with the gun, who **sold **it? If the sell was legal, then ok they are off the hook, if it was to a felon (for example) they need to be held liable. Who used it? That person needs to be jailed. Guns are something easy to blame and they certainly make murder (for example) easier. But if someone is mentally unstable they can go to the gas station and buy enough gas + (stuff) to blow up damn near anything they want. The UniBomber didn't use a gun yet he is well known. Guns are easy and by getting rid of guns you are simply getting rid of the easy route. Crazy will still be crazy. I'd rather have guns in the hands of all people (good and bad) then just that in the hands of bad.

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[–] ctkatz 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

the argument that a lot of the gun nuts use are fatal car accidents. and on that narrow point I do agree with them. just because a tool is misused doesn't mean that the manufacturer of those tools is at fault. the user of the tool is the person responsible. however unlike cars, we don't have an adequate or effective method of screening out who should be given the responsibility of possessing a firearm. when a blind person in iowa can be a licensed gun user but can't be a licensed driver, we have a serious problem.

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[–] Daveed 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

The blind person analogy does not make sense in my mind. A blind person in a 2 ton hunk of metal with the capability of traveling 100 mph in a heavily populated zone is a problem. A blind person in a field or a range, who just wants to feel the power and weight of firearm, that has little to no chance of being pointed at somebody is not a problem. A blind person can ask "Hey, is there somebody walking around on a gun range?" but they can't ask "Hey car, I am about to hit somebody?" Blind people are not capable of driving safely, but they are capable of shooting safely.

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[–] KleanRider 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well I would argue that we do very poorly when it comes to screening people who should drive, especially the old people.

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[–] refugee610 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

however unlike cars, we don't have an adequate or effective method of screening out who should be given the responsibility of possessing a firearm

I got a driver's license and I've bought multiple guns. Of the two processes, only one of them takes your history into account in any way (and it's not driver licensing).

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[–] atheocrat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

One argument which isn't being brought up is that guns make emotional violence much more dangerous. If someone is reacting to immediate anger, they are much more likely to take fatal action if they have a gun. This is the reason for mandatory waiting periods for some gun purchases. They are proven to reduce suicide rates, for example, since many suicides are spur of the moment decisions which don't happen once someone has a chance to calm down. Same for domestic violence, etc.

Not all people who shoot others are crazy.

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[–] mcseanerson 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Hell, they can just drive right into the pumps and take out plenty of people.

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[–] heili 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

You have to get a license to drive.

On public roads, yes.

But an unlicensed person can, without background check or qualification at all, go out and purchase all the automobiles he or she wants to go and drive on private property from any person who will sell them said automobiles, and the only thing they have to pay is sales tax (in states where sales tax is applicable).

Do you really want to make it like cars? No background check or license required to do anything other than carry and employ firearms on public property?

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[–] Rellik88 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

None of what you listed are rights.. But privileges. How about we treat cars like guns? Gas tank limits, BG checks to buy, cant cross certain state lines. Limits on top speed. etc etc.

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[–] SlephenX 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

I agree, background checks should be more thorough. America needs be better about that.

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[–] hungry_mungry 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I've never been able to buy a gun without a background check, even at a gun show. I honestly don't know where all these people buying guns without background checks are.

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[–] sng-ign 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

I love this Lemon Party bastard.

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[–] Westhenorth 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I think a main point is lost here. Many feel as if the risk of not being able to defend against our own government is the greater risk to the population. Not so much for target practice or self defense. Tyranny is the original reason for the pro gun statements in the US constitution.

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[–] SlephenX 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Hey, because this topic is political, I'd like to remind people to be careful of using the downvote button. We need to remember that it is not a "disagree" button.

If you want to prove someone wrong, post a reply and start a dialogue, downvoting is just lazy and rude.

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[–] Here_and_now_boys 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

This is what a principled position looks like.

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