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[–] carlip 17 points -12 points (+5|-17) ago 

and according to the right, alt right included, everyone is a traitor. no one knows what these words mean.


[–] VillaLopez 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Traitor: A person actively engaging in activities to undermine the security of their nation.

Does that seem like a decent definition?


[–] 9463903? 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

That's a terrible broad definition. You would need something about intent and something about willfulness. People accidentally undermine the security of the nation all the time. Even our president. Our Congress. Our military.


[–] carlip 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

no, thats a pretty shitty meaning. its too broad. Look at the history of treason case law, its EXTREMELY hard to convict. It seems people are conflating traitor with deceitful