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[–] sakuramboo 0 points 62 points (+62|-0) ago 

According to the Board, Järlström had no right to criticize the length of yellow lights and talk about his ideas with “members of the public” because he’s not an Oregon-licensed engineer. The man was also told to stop referring himself using the word “engineer”, despite having a degree in electrical engineering from Sweden.

The real crime here. Bolded for emphasis.

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[–] hotairmakespopcorn 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Unless they are engineers, according to their own logic, they are legally mandated for themselves to be fined. Otherwise, they have no legitimate claim to counter his claims. According to them, only an engineer can say his claims are not worthy.

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[–] prairie 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They aren't countering his claims, just his authority to tell us about the lack of clothing on the Empereror of traffic. The poor townsfolk might get confused.

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[–] Milo_Carlin 5 points 1 points (+6|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Who does one remove from the gene pool to end this sort of shit?!?!? lol

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[–] prairie 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

They're like monkeys who throw their shit around and go with whatever sticks.

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[–] TremorAcePV 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yeah, that's bull shit. In the Oregon state law, the statute specifically says you cannot claim to be "an engineer, or professionally registered engineer".

... I mean. Clearly they're saying "only engineers who are professionally registered are engineers." so that seems really redundant and points out, to me at least, how the law isn't written in a good way or does something it shouldn't be doing.

I think it should be pretty cut and dry that if you have an academic diploma for an engineering discipline, you are an engineer and can call yourself one. You should even be able to publish studies without being registered, as long as you make it clear you aren't registered.

I think the whole "protection" around that word is a bit excessive. It's sort of like, if I go to my friend who I know has an engineering degree, but isn't registered because that's not his job at this time, and he draws me up some plans to build something, then I go to a registered engineer and say "look this over and approve it or make corrections where it's needed." then that should be fine.

I feel like in that situation though, Oregon would have issues with my friend doing that work for me, but then I wouldn't have to pay the registered engineer every time I needed him to do some minor correction.

And I think that's the heart of the actual reason behind the "engineer" status being protected. It's probably argued that the reason they are so protective of the term being used for people who aren't registered is so that people don't get duped and bad things are built that endanger peoples' lives. But I would guess it's more so to protect the job market for that job by having a higher barrier to entry.

If this guy had never mentioned him being an engineer, he would've been fine. That's the only thing that caused this fine and his problem. And I kinda find that unacceptable because it is, imo, taking away his right to use his knowledge and experience to provide a service and voice to society.

If he had only said "I have a bachelors in electrical engineering." then I wonder if they'd still have fined him. After all, that is a fact. Can you really be fined for stating a fact?

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[–] epsilona01 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

After all, that is a fact. Can you really be fined for stating a fact?

But he actually is an engineer, so yes.

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[–] welcome_to_voat 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Do you have more info on the nuclear thing?

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[–] aaronC 0 points 49 points (+49|-0) ago 

The state must give you a license in engineering for you to criticize the state's engineering. Bravo Oregon.

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[–] knightwarrior41 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

a true proto communist state

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[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Better hope you have a license in politics from Oregon or you might be fined $500 for your assessment.

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[–] Morbo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What I've always wanted to know was how such licensing authority is arrived at in the first place. Who had the authority and credentials to license the first professional engineers if there were no licensed professional engineers? Someone who is not an engineer would have been the one to license them initially. What power and credentials did that person have to decree an engineer proper and worthy of a license? It's all a scam of money, power and elite club membership. They all stand on the shoulders of the science, mathematics and engineering giants of the past who were not licensed yet claim some piece of paper makes them special because they are in the club. A professional license does not make for a good engineer nor is lack of one the sign of a bad one. Fuck this elitist bullshit.

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

...ditto for licenses to practice medicine or law? :-)

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They usually have a moratorium of a few years where literally anyone can apply for one. In practice, word only gets around to the established players that this is possible and they're the only ones who apply. If anyone else sneaks in they can always be kicked out again on some pretext since they're outnumbered.

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[–] shitstartercarter 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

All of these absolutley gorgeous states have become inhabitated by idiots. California, Oregone, Washington , Colorado. Utha though is still good, just a lot of religious crazies.

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[–] prairie 0 points 33 points (+33|-0) ago  (edited ago)

He is now suing the state of Oregon, claiming his traffic lights critique is protected by the First Amendment.

Oh great, now he's acting like he's a lawyer. /s

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[–] crashing_this_thread 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Fine him harder. How dare he know his rights.

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[–] 9-11 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

On the surface his study has no merit as it isnt based on Oregon DOT specs, aashto standards, or even green book standards. What voat seems to think (incorrectly) is that if you "identify" as a doctor or lawyer or engineer that you can run around pretending to be one without a state professional license. Try wring a prescription or giving legal representation and see what happens.

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[–] Broc_Lia 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago  (edited ago)

What voat seems to think (incorrectly) is that if you "identify" as a doctor or lawyer or engineer that you can run around pretending to be one without a state professional license.

Yeah. Imagine someone who earned an engineering degree and worked as an engineer claiming to be an engineer. Only government employees can cast level 10 engineer status on someone.

Guys like Kingdom Ismbard Brunel were charlatans, no government approval, no engineering.

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[–] Skyrock 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

This is ridiculous.

If that ridiculous fine holds up, I want to see it taken to its logical conclusion and all old politicians talking about the internet, all gender studies majors talking about medicine and video game design and all celibate priestes talking about sex fined too, because they are clearly out of their field and unlicensed.

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[–] flintlockwoood 0 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago 

The board didn't like what he found so they bullied him and violated 1st ammendment just to shut him up. Must be UC Berkeley grads.

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[–] superAIDS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Honestly some of the liberals in Oregon make the Berkeley dipshits look like fucking white nationalists.

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[–] UnJaded 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Counter-sue the state for giving a notice from an unlicensed author?

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[–] cdglow 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Even by their own logic, I think this is jaw-droppingly petty.

Civil engineers are licensed by all states, but he didn't say that he's a civil engineer, just an engineer. Aren't there other types of "engineers" that are effectively employed as "engineers" or practice engineering that don't necessarily require licensing? Some types of electrical engineers for instance? "Software engineer" is a position at many companies but there's (thank god) no state mandated software engineering requirements.

He probably wrote "I'm an engineer" in an introductory letter about this topic not to fool people into thinking that he's a licensed civil engineer, but because he wanted to be taken seriously as an educated person and not some crank to get his findings taken seriously through the layers of bureaucracy. This is exactly the type of citizen that a smart government would be trying to encourage to participate a bit.

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[–] Norm85 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You have done great work examining and explaining this.

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[–] Xantha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I would bet money they knew what he found out in his study already, there is no way they wouldn't. Yellow lights have been deliberately shortened in other places (chicago) and sometimes paired with traffic cams as a mean of generating revenue to the city/state. I bet they fined this guy as a minor legal equivalent to a SLAPP (Strategic lawsuit against public participation) lawsuit.

No matter how stupid Oregon is with some of their laws (can't pump your own gas...) I would still bet the first judge this gets to throws it out on 1st amendment grounds, unless he's registered engineer in the State of Oregon as well. lol

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[–] vastrightwing 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

His crime? Pointing out the tyranny of the state. I totally understand what this man did but what he did was go up to a criminal while perpetrating a crime and tell the criminal that he was perpetrating a crime.

It would have been better for this man to collect his evidence and present it to the magistrate as I'm not guilty due to this and that. This way he's not threatening the kleptrocracy.

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[–] vastrightwing 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I used to think that. Now we all know they work for the oligarchs and they view us as nothing more than deplorables.

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