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[–] Patranus 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

One is a fundamental right according to the constitution while the other is not. Guess which one it is.

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[–] starrychloe 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

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[–] Einmensch 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's not about being a citizen, it's about having an I.D. which a surprising number of poor people don't.

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[–] indiglo_girls 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

That's a red herring. State I.D.'s are not expensive. I.D.'s are required to buy cigarettes and alcohol and cash checks but for voting it becomes some kind of insurmountable obstacle? That kind of thinking stinks.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Well they should fucking get 'em.

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[–] Patranus 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

The lawlessness of the Supreme Court continues. Now citizenship is no longer required to vote in federal elections. No mention of the fact that this disenfranchised citizens or anything.

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[–] FreshieD 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

So this is one of those things I don't really get. I hear it repeated that having to prove citizenship has the effect of blocking a subset of the poor and elderly from voting. I know that voter fraud is not anywhere near the issue that the fearmongerers would have you believe it is. But I also don't get why it's a huge deal to show your driver's license/state ID card when you vote. Maybe I can't see beyond my privilege.

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[–] Shinobi [S] 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

The privilege of having an ID? you scoundrel!! turn your self in to the nearest liberal for punishment! /s

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[–] ScottRockview 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Can someone please explain why things like this are such a big issue in the U.S.A? When you go to a polling station, do they not have a list of all eligible voters in the area, check your photo ID to make sure you are who you say you are, and then let you vote?

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[–] reshp1 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

Because some people don't have IDs, and those people are disproportionately poor, who disproportionately vote for one party. This was never about preventing voter fraud, which simply isn't a problem. It's about getting an edge on the other side.

Voting is a fundamental right and we should be doing everything possible to make it as easy as possible, not throwing up roadblocks to weasel the opposition out of a few votes by disenfranchising people that are already at a disadvantage in terms of representation.

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[–] ran 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It's funny how people say voter fraud isn't a problem, because "we've only found a few hundred cases." But how hard are you looking? If you don't require ID how can you possibly know how much voter fraud there is?

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[–] ScottRockview 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

So, can they not be provided IDs or something to make damn sure they are who they say they are? I'm all for EVERYONE voting who is entitled to, but you can't cop out by saying needing an ID makes it difficult for some people to vote.

Also, going back to my original question, do the polling stations not have a list of all eligible voters in their area? If you keep track of who votes, you are also keeping track of how many people voted. You can then add up all of the votes that were cast for each candidate and see if that total matches the number of people who actually voted, thus quickly determining if there is a cause to be suspicious of count manipulation/fraud by the people running the polls.

Serious question now that I think of it, do poor people not have IDs to get food stamps/welfare/any other social benefit that they can get? Can that not be used to cast a vote?

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[–] indiglo_girls 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That is beyond insulting to lower-income people like myself. A state I.D. is not expensive nor is it some kind of crazy obstacle to get one. But sure, the less money in someone's pocket the more helpless they are, right? /s

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[–] ViolentlyMasticates 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They have no ID at all? Isn't that... an issue?

In Australia at least, it's illegal to have no ID, even if its just a birth certificate, or 18+ card. If you're really struggling poor, there are many ways to get it without spending much, or any money. It's not exactly the worst thing in the world to endure, and it helps you get welfare as well.

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[–] ran 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Every state that has tried, successfully or not, to require voter ID has combined that bill with one that would provide free IDs. Georgia and a few others went so far as to fund "Mobile ID vans" that would drive to "disadvantaged areas" and provide free ID's on the street. Somehow it's still racist.

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[–] ScottRockview 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

So if people can't afford an ID, then they are probably on some kind of social assistance, do they not get a social assistance card? Something that lets them get into a hospital for free or free prescriptions or food stamps? Ol' Dirty Bastard have a welfare card and he sue as hell should not have been collecting that money, but he did. I'm failing to see how anybody could not have a piece of ID. If someone legitimately can't afford $20 or whatever an ID costs, can they then not be given one?

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[–] Shinobi [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I wish i could answer that. seems a good many people are against voter ID as well. I guess not all states require them to vote. I have to supply an ID to buy certain allergy medicine, buy a beer, or a pack of smokes, cash a check, open a bank account, pick up some antibiotics at the pharmacy... etc etc etc, but ask for an ID to vote?!?!? people lose their shit!! color me confused.

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[–] ScottRockview 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Do people ever say WHY they lose their shit? Americans mostly hate illegal aliens living in their country but don't really seem to care if they cast a vote or a couple of million when they are not entitled to. Also, if you don't have to check in with ID and get crossed off of a list, what is to stop people from voting twice?

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

[citation needed]

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[–] Zaqwert 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I don't know how a reasonable person can be against voter ID.

I mean, what the hell type of system do they envision? People just show up and get a ballot no questions asked?

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[–] profanion 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So basically a bunch of foreigners could come in and completely rig the votes?

This sounds familiar...

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[–] Vicious_Cycle 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

One of the things I don't understand about my fellow liberals is why, on the topic of immigration, there is almost no regard for the rule of law.

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[–] Amelia_Earnhardt_Jr 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Don't you prove citizenship when you register to vote?

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[–] peeShiverMeTimbers 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Nope. They ask for an ID # or a SSN, but you can write "None" and they will assign you a number. Not sure how much due diligence is put into verifying this. Source

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