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[–] senpaithatignoresyou 2 points 63 points (+65|-2) ago 

This will not end well for them, this will not end well for them at all.

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[–] GoatyMcGoatface 4 points 33 points (+37|-4) ago 

not end well

They are making money hand over fist by preventing people from working on their own equipment. It's going EXTREMELY well

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[–] theburntsausage 0 points 29 points (+29|-0) ago 

for now, word catches on. people buy from somewhere else.

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[–] Turn_Coat 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Piracy is now common place for numerous professions because of this behavior though.

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[–] greenfascist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

navio2 emlid.com

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[–] bitswitch 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago  (edited ago)

"The more you tighten your grip the more starsystems will slip through your fingers." I think John Deere has forgotten what Americans are all about.

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Guess we'll buy Yanmar tractors. Or perhaps Kubota.

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[–] The_Penor_Kangaroo 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Honestly my standard for corporate shitlords having things "not ending well" is them getting 15years in prison taking hiv infested cock in the ass. Anything less it's not enough.

Sorry for the curse words.

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[–] bloodguard 1 points 33 points (+34|-1) ago 

Farmers need to set up a fabrication co-op and start printing their own equipment. I remember there was a kickstarter called something like open source farming that had CAD plans for all sorts of farm equipment.

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[–] Gumbatron 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Yeah. But that stuff is toys. Their "tractor" is more like a light duty bobcat. It uses car tyres and lawn mower engine!

You would need an alternative that could supply 4-500hp turbo-diesel articulated tractors, with GPS guidance, etc. These are not things you can make in your shed.

There is a need for more open technology but getting farmers to lead the charge is not a likely starting point.

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[–] HungryCrow 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

"Farmers" are corporatists these days, the days of families working together and producing the bulk of the food are long gone. Family owned farms are small enterprises, large scale farming is is done by large companies that have captured the regulatory bodies for their own benefit.

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[–] greenfascist 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You would need an alternative that could supply 4-500hp turbo-diesel articulated tractors, with GPS guidance, etc. These are not things you can make in your shed.

GPS guidance: navio2 emlid.com plus two linear actuators and a raspberry pi 3

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[–] halfnakedhairydude 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Believe it or not, it might be possible now. I was at the Construction/Agriculture/IFPE convention in Vegas last month and they had an excavator that was entirely 3d printed.

The hydraulic lines were just printed in to the body so you can put an immense amount of oower in a relatively small package.

I don't think the technology is there for tractors yet, but we're getting really close

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[–] 8883860? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

actually, 3d printing and CNC and sintering is coming to sheds in the not so far off future.

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[–] MedicalMountainGoat 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Kind of tough to print an internal combustion engine no?

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[–] bloodguard 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

There are EV tractors out there already (Deere has one). If you're a Kansas farmer you'd be kind of foolish not to throw up a bunch of wind turbines and farm the wind as well. Drop diesel and they'd be able to kick OPEC in the nuts at the same time.

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[–] firex726 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

You dont think they have access to milling machines?

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[–] Amadameus 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You tell a farmer they can't make something, five farmers will stop to show you that exact thing they've already made at home.

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[–] KinkRaven 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

No, it's not.

Open source Ecology lifeTrac, it's on its 6th iteration I believe.

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[–] OriginalReaper 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

farmers have been bending over to corporations for a looong time. look up chicken farming. you do what the chicken supplier says or you're fucked. same with vegetation. you buy seeds from monsanto and its offspring's seeds belong to monsanto. even small seed farmers in tiny places are being fucked that have nothing to do with mass production.

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[–] JohnQCitizen 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Or just buy an old truck, replace the tires, and gear it real low. Add a new hitch for equipment and a bit of gps power self steering, and boom, you got a new tractor

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Try putting a shit spreader on back of a truck that doesn't provide the axel to power the shit spreader. Or hay bailer, or wheat combine ... More to farmer than pulling shit.

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[–] Bigwhistle 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Cunts

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[–] AnthraxAlex 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

framers just need to start ripping the proprietary electronics out of their john dear garbage and replacing it with their own off the shelf electronics and software. John dear isnt offering anything so special it cant be done with a handful of open source software packages and a few soc boards. And i cant violate their copyright if i took all their junk and tossed it in the garbage.

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[–] rspix000 [S] 2 points 22 points (+24|-2) ago 

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[–] MedicalMountainGoat 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Glad to know there is a real solution to the john deere problem.

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[–] behindthetoilet 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I think one of their biggest competitors is Kubota. They'll fill the void deer is creating quick.

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[–] Spaceballs-1 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Kubota builds great tractors. I've owned several over the years. Well built and quiet.

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[–] greenfascist 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

off the shelf components:

  1. gps in the form of navio2 from emlid.com
  2. comp to run it: raspberry pi 3
  3. two linear actuators.

all for under $1k

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[–] Morbo 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Great, now put one together and show us how well it works. You can start with your car as a prototype since you probably don't have a tractor.

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[–] pyres 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Or you could just buy used equipment without proprietary electronics. I'm guessing they won't have the latest GPS, 8-track, and mini-fridge with built-in GSM modem, but they still work.

Failing that, buy some oxen.

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[–] justthefactsmaam 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The unit of land area known as an acre was derived from how much a yoke of oxen could plow in a day. A modern tractor can do 100+ times as much.

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[–] AnthraxAlex 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I wonder how large the market for retrofit kits on new stuff and also old equipment could be? Seems like it could be a lucrative market. Hobbyist drones have 90% of the same types of systems and there is a huge library of open source stuff out there already.

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[–] Tzitzimitl 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

or you could skip dealing with pre-existing wear and by a new tractor that isnt infected with entitlement

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[–] OriginalReaper 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Todays used tractors wont last 50 years. Look at this and envision a situation where this is the norm to envision severity.

The problem i see is that JohnDeer will not charge a reasonable markup. If the farmer is making X then JD will charge their repairs based on X for maximum profit, and they will edge it as hard as they can.

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[–] 8877547? 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

The entire anti-DRM circumvention portion of DMCA should be illegal. At this point, one can be prosecuted for using software in a way that is deemed "unacceptable" by the company, and these limits are not always clear and do not need to have any justification, as long as they are "reasonable". This is not due process and I have no idea how it is considered constitutional.

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[–] RonaldMcShitlord 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The fact that you can claim me going to a store and buying your product isn't actually a "sale" but is a "license agreement" is also complete horseshit. If I didn't sign anything, claiming that I agreed to your license by handing someone money in exchange for a product is ridiculous.

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[–] Boyakasha 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This is a good opportunity for another manufacturer to step in with an old school tractor. If JD wants to piss off their customers, fine. Let someone steal the business.

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[–] 8877276? 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

I doubt there is really all that much of a market. A lot of farms are mega corps that don't give a fuck about being able to service themselves. They have it budgeted and written off so it probably benefits them more than harms. This only hurts the little guy, and no one cares about you unless you have a team of lobbyists.

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[–] PushYourself 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Don't ever think that corporations can just "write stuff off".

The cost is born by someone, and ultimately it is a negative for the company to be wasteful.

I agree that smaller farmers will be hurt, though, because their assets are much smaller and can't absorb large costs.

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[–] rspix000 [S] 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Big entry costs for a start up, otherwise I'm thinking imports win our jerbs with this crony capitalism.

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[–] senpaithatignoresyou 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The japanese have started selling tractors here now, and they are very very good and reliable.

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[–] Boyakasha 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

There are competitors in the market already. They just need to capitalize.

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[–] greenfascist 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

big entry costs?

navio2, raspberry pi 3, two linear actuators, and a very small custom PCB for power mgmt.

less than $1k COG

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[–] Tancred 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is a good opportunity for another manufacturer

Tractor brands worldwide either belong to CNH Industrial (UK) or AGCO (USA) and then there is John Deere.

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[–] RonaldMcShitlord 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

John Deere wants to be the Monsanto of tech and machinery.

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[–] 8_billion_eaters 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

We used to be able to work on our own cars, too. The shit they build these days are designed to make corporations richer on the parts and service end as well.

Fuck pollution controls and computerized garbage... a 1967 pontiac 6-cyl, 3 speed with am/fm and an 8-track was better than the crap detroit mexico puts out today.

(well, maybe not those 8-tracks...they kinda sucked).

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[–] GoBackToReddit 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

a 1967 Pontiac [anything]... was "better"

E: Optional. "Kids today wont understand."

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