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[–] Fact_Checking_Alien 3 points 11 points (+14|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Efficiency of food production declines as upper class Americans increasingly buy in to expensive "alternatives" made by the same fucking companies, with no real added benefits.

Edit: And what we really need are hydroponic foods, not organic.

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[–] PainTree 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Unfortunately, as with many fads, some organic food advocates go off the deep end. However, there are "real added benefits," depending on which food you're buying organic.

The main benefit of organic foods is reduced/lack of pesticides, which are pretty terrible in general. The benefit varies depending on the food. Conventional foods that contain heavy pesticides are the ones where you're better off buying organically. There's less reason to buy organic foods if the non-organic versions contain little to no pesticides. For foods which don't require pesticides at all, there's not much reason (read: no reason at all) to buy organic.

If you're eating chips, McDonalds, or unhealthy foods in general, it won't help if the ingredients are organic. There are people who think "oh well, these chips are made with organic ingredients, so it's healthy." No.

Lastly, for the average sedentary person, exercising on a regular basis will bring more benefits than eating organic food. Running is free. There's something wrong with the people who spend small fortunes on organic food, go home, and then idle away at home. This is like taking antibiotics for your infection instead of calling an ambulance when you're having a heart attack. Don't be a fucking idiot.

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[–] Fact_Checking_Alien 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

A much more reasonable position. Overuse of pesticides are definitely a problem, and there appears to be legitimate concern on multiple fronts as to the effect it's having on our farming ecosystems.

Though as mentioned in the prior post, hydroponically grown items are probably the best. For there is least reason to use pesticides and cheapest (after initial setup) per growth period. Which is why 67% of tomatoes are grown that way. This is also true for some of the "conventional foods" on your list.

Why are those foods not "certified organic"? Because, apparently, "Most hydroponically grown produce cannot be sold as organic due to the fact that they do not use soil as a growing medium." (Wikipedia...I know) I wish I could make that up. It's even more depressing because hydroponics is what needs the regulatory push to incentivize and label - but all the attention is on organic. Which is exclusively NOT HYDROPONIC, especially when used with GMO's for maximum efficiency.

Part of the reason why exists with the advisory committee. "National Organic Advisory Board (NOSB) completed their final recommendations on crop production in containers and enclosures (e.g. greenhouses) greenhouses in 2010. The NOSB’s 2010 recommendation included a provision for not allowing organic hydroponic production. "

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[–] USonic 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Companies sell what people want to buy. And people fucking love to be tricked.

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[–] 123_456 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Companies sell what people want to buy. And people fucking love to be tricked.

There's nothing wrong with so called organic food. But the benefits of buying organic over non-organic are incredibly minute.

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[–] Fact_Checking_Alien 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Maybe you want to try putting your reading glasses on. Sorry grandpa, your backward irrelevant old church ways where might makes right and age means power died with your dying ways. Good riddance. Let information and facts decide who's right - not your dying neurons and rotting flesh.

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[–] toobaditworks 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Non-organic does not mean it's more efficient production and it's been proven that it's not any better. There's plenty of studies and the science is even better today than it was 20 years ago. The problem is modern farmers who have done things a certain way for 20 years don't want to change. And the people who sell them the products they don't want to change either because they would lose all their business. Not to mention all the brainwashing propaganda Big Agriculture puts out. It's funny to see all the money they spend trying to save themselves isn't working because people want good clean healthy food.

You say there's no added benefits?

  • Better quality.
  • Organic milk has shown that it has more antioxidants, omega-3 fatty acids, CLA, and vitamins than non-organic milk.
  • Organic Tomatoes have more antioxidants such as quercetin (79% higher) and kaempferol (97% higher) which help in reducing heart disease and the chances of developing cancer.
  • Boosts the Immune System
  • Environmental Safety - Non harmful chemicals used in growing means the soil is healthier and no water pollution.
  • Animal welfare. Animals treated well and taken care.

So yeah I'm sure if you really tried you could come up with ONE added benefit. Saying there is none is just straight up lies.

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[–] Fact_Checking_Alien 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Better quality.

No it's not. Not even in taste. But have the results of findings of actual studies, from a website supporting organic foods, "Most studies report no consistent or significant differences in taste and organoleptic quality." Have another.

Organic milk has shown that it has more antioxidants, omega-3 fatty acids, CLA, and vitamins than non-organic milk.

Wrong again. Read that whole website. It even links to a well done study debunking Omega 3 (Omega 6 is apparently what's really hot now). A linked 2015 review study conclides "Consequently, the effect of farming practices (high input vs. low input) rather than farming system (organic vs. conventional) determines milk fatty acid profile, and similar results are seen between low-input organic and low-input conventional milks."

Organic Tomatoes have more antioxidants such as quercetin (79% higher) and kaempferol (97% higher) which help in reducing heart disease and the chances of developing cancer.

Just like milk and farming habits, tomato nutrition is dependent on soil quality and not organic farm practices. Big surprise. Tomatoes grown in hydroponics perform better even if not "USDA certified organic" (i.e. pesticides were used for in-house pest control).

Boosts the Immune System

[[citation needed]]

Environmental Safety

Hydroponics. QED. However in the case of animals, the more space required for animals the less environmentally safe it is, especially in the use of cows.

Animal welfare.

Nope, in fact it's worse. "National Organic Program (NOP) – the federal regulatory framework that governs organic food and farming in the U.S. – has no specific rules on the amount of space that organic farmers are required to give their animals whenever they are housed indoors."

I checked the actual requirements and they are still non-specific, and largely in accordance with regular animal care practices anyway:

Yards, feeding pads, and feedlots shall be large enough to allow all ruminant livestock occupying the yard, feeding pad, or feedlot to feed simultaneously without crowding and without competition for food. Continuous total confinement of any animal indoors is prohibited. Continuous total confinement of ruminants in yards, feeding pads, and feedlots is prohibited.

There's no meat production farm in the U.S. that uses continuous confinement...except perhaps small family farms. No, really. Also, other websites link to studies showing more illnesses prevalent among USDA organic animals.

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[–] sqeak 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

He didn't say there were none, he said no "real" benefits. I don't see any of those as a real benefit to myself when the cost is so much higher and considering it can't sustain a world economy.

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[–] 1smartass 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Not to mention all the brainwashing propaganda Big Agriculture puts out

Boy to you have that backwards.

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[–] hungir_strike 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I could not take the article seriously after the author listed gluten as something that would "raise the hair on the back of your neck".

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think many people don't know what gluten is and "gluten free" is a buzzword for hipsters.

Gluten is not a chemical mass-produced by Monsanto, and unless you have an allergy, it's not bad for you. It's the thing that makes bread chewy/stretchy/delicious.. It's been part of bread for the last 10,000 years. It's also in a lot of other foods and some non-food items like toothpaste.

Can we stop treating "gluten" as a bad word? Some people are allergic to it. For the rest of us, it's a delicious part of a common food.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/going-gluten-free-just-because-heres-what-you-need-to-know-201302205916

There are no adverse effects of gluten except for the small percentage of the population with allergies or celiac disease. Hair raising indeed.

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[–] TheRedditExodus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

My mates a celiac and loves the gluten free fad. There's now loads of food he can have, even in restaurants!

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[–] USonic 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want my dick flying off.

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[–] DannyMac 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Processed foods are inferior goods. The demand for inferior goods decreases as consumer income rises. As long as the economy is doing fine, people will eat less cheap shit. You've surely heard how McDonald's is doing poorly too? Again, McDonald's is viewed as inferior goods. Sadly, the pendulum will swing the other direction when the economy takes a downturn.

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[–] pseudomonas 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

More fresh stuff - sure, great. Organic expansion - not a big fan. Most of the times at the grocery store, it's tougher for me to find the non-"organic" produce which are equivalent and cheaper.

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[–] donkeyqong 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Some foods are grown more easily organically. Almost all lettuce is grown organically now. All the same farm, different bags when they leave.

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[–] 1smartass 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Lettuce is picky when it comes to climate and is very susceptible to pests, hence it being a perfect candidate for being grown where climate can be controlled. It's also a poor use of land with regards to the amount of nutrients and calories per acre that it can provide.

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[–] RedditDead2005-2015 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

A very misleading article. Reminds me of the Apple hype about how they were eating Microsoft's lunch by growing their PC market share from 4% to 4.5%. I know $4 billion sounds like a lot in lost sales, but Publix and Whole Foods supermarket chains alone make up $50 billion in annual sales. Convenience and cost are still high priorities for consumers. I'd say processed food makers lose more to the growth of fast food chains than organic growers. I don't know if the article is biased towards organic goods or just fresh foods, but they are different. The research studies are out, and they say organic foods have no greater health benefits than regular "fresh" produce and meats. If the article wants to lump in organic foods along with all fresh, regular produce and meat, then it's also misleading. People may cook more because of cooking shows, but it doesn't mean they are eating more costly organic meats and veggies.

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[–] Trip 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

People can post whatever scientific studies they want, but if you really compare the two, I often find the organic variant tastes better. I dunno. I don't often buy organic food, but I always buy organic milk. It literally tastes completely different and doesn't destroy my digestive system as much as normal milk. I swear I can tell the difference in the two. Other organic products don't have such a drastic difference imo.

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[–] Lenier 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Why does fresh and not processed have to be organic? I almost always eat fresh fruits, vegetables, and meat but don't buy organic.

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