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[–] sugamari 1 points 98 points (+99|-1) ago 

Wanna see sales explode - make comics that are anti PC

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[–] DependasaurusRex 0 points 55 points (+55|-0) ago 

Deadpool comes to mind...

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Judge Dread also has an anti-fat acceptance arc.

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Deadpool was white-knighting in the first half hour of his film, which was seriously disappointing.

He'd make a great anti-PC character though. Or the punisher

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[–] ginx2666 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Deadpool's gotta be the most reddit protagonist ever written. Just recalling it made me gag.

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[–] BentAxel 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

All comic book heroes are outcasts and minorities. They were all shunned by the masses for being unique and different. But loved for the labor and safety they provided. Politically Correct heroes are - lame. They are the majority. No one gives a fuck about the majority. Look at the middle class. Shit on by everyone for being "consistent."

Fuck those cunts.

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[–] DependasaurusRex 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well, there is Dr. Strange, granted I suppose you could use the cripple part to support your argument. Not disagreeing with you at all though.

The Fantastic Four would be another I guess.

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[–] HeavyBrain 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Or you know make comics that people want to read and sell them and stay away from political bullshit.

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[–] boekanier 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's all about political bullshit these days.

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[–] muricasnexttopautist 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I dont get why this is not more understood. Howard Stern had people so angry, I remember reading that people who hated him listened to him more early on than people who liked him. Anti PC comics and the SJWs will even buy them to burn or something.

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[–] Artofchoke 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

LOL, 'member when the yentas would call about how disgusted they were??

I member.

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 0 points 77 points (+77|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The problem isn't "diversity", it's that SJWs think that even having one white guy is to many white guys.

Marvel was always fairly diverse. Their very first comic features two white guys, a jew and a woman (F4). The Avengers from the 1961 to 2015 were 14% black, same % as America.

They took crazy pills a year ago and killed of damn near every white guy.

  • Wolverine is a girl
  • Thor is a girl
  • Iron-Man is a black girl
  • Captain Marvel is a girl
  • Hawkeye is a girl
  • Star-Lord is a girl
  • Nova is hispanic
  • Captain America is black
  • Spider-Man is a black Hispanic, and possibly gay.

That's not diversity, that's white male genocide.

Notable mentions :

  • Ms Marvel is now muslim
  • Spider Woman is now an unwed single mother

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[–] SecularPenguinist 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

Iron-Man is a black girl?

Why don't they just create new characters that fit their PC agenda?
Because they wouldn't sell so they're trying to piggyback on established characters.
SJWs turn everything they touch to shit. How's that for a super power?

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

The frustrating thing is they have characters that meet these criteria that they could easily feature, grow and give depth.

I would potentially read a comic about Storm or Misty Knight. Why make Iron - Man a black woman?

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[–] CervicalStrike 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

That isn't good enough for (((them.)))

They want to demoralize any sense of white strength by erasing it and replacing it with VIBRANT DIVERSITY. All of this shlomo shit needs to be boycotted no matter what form it takes.

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[–] culofiesta 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

When Tony was deep in the drink the Iron Man armor was used by James Rhodes, a black man. It was a good storyline because Tony is an asshole and Rhodes is a good dude. He also didn't always know the right button to push to beat bad guys like Tony did. Added a lot more to the comic. He even went to Warworld as Iron Man during Secret Wars and no one knew who was under the armor.

I don't know about the black girl though.

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[–] DependasaurusRex 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Imagination is hard when you use it all to make reality a fantasy.

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[–] roznak 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

On top of that the only people that bought these comic boos were white males. The colored people and feminists apparently don't like the books.

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Yeah. Not to mention how tedious SJW stories are.

I only am aware of what's going on because I pay $70 a year for Marvel Unlimited, which gives me unlimited electric access to nearly every comic they've made. I haven't read any of the recent stuff, because for the most part is sucks, but it's cool reading through 50 years of classic comics when the authors and artists have the readers what they actually wanted instead of just serving streaming piles of shit.

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[–] Cobr4Comm4nder 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

This. They finally lost me at Thor. I could live with everyone going black in Ultimate. But Thor turning into a preaching female feminist. Never paying for Marvel again.

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[–] joncash 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This is the right answer. It's not diversity that's the problem, it's the forced diversity through literally killing or replacing characters that's the problem. You want a strong female character? Put her in as a side kick first and have her branch off. It worked for supergirl and she was the definition of shoddly made character rip off. I mean it was just hey, let's make superman a woman. BUT the key is DON'T KILL SUPERMAN OFF HAVE SUPERGIRL == SUPERMAN. That's fucking retarded.

I, unlike the racists on reddit welcome diversity. I DO NOT welcome it at the expense of white people. That's what they're not getting. It's not diversity that's fucking you, you're literally killing white characters for the sole purpose to replace them with minorities. That's not diversity, that's just fucking stupid.

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is it, right here.

I would read the shit out of cross overs. Want to elevate a B or C lister? Make it a team up. Before "Cable and Deadpool", both were somewhat obscure characters that had their stand alone series canceled.

They could launch a comic called "Mr. and Mrs. Knight" a long arch about Misty Knight hunting down some occult serial killer and end up teaming up with Moon Knight. That could be fucking awesome way to increase the profile of those characters and attempt to develop an A-List black female (without killing off Tony Stark).

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[–] lucidique 0 points 43 points (+43|-0) ago 

It's not that people don't enjoy women or even people of colors as superheroes. Just stop rebooting existing and beloved characters as diversity. Iron Man as a black woman with a fro, are you fuckin serious?

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[–] HeavyBrain 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Just stop rebooting existing and beloved characters as diversity

But how wls are they supposed to get them ideas fo comics.

They dont give a fuck they acually belive they can grab something popular and hijack it for their message to gain max exposure.

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[–] lucidique 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Yeah, except it's clearly not working. Who knows, maybe this is their wake up call.

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[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They should redo the movie Frozen. Just instead of the parents dying on a boat the father could be in prison while the mother whores herself out for cash. She could even whore Elsa out.

Oh wait they already have a movie like that. It's called Precious.

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[–] senpaithatignoresyou 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

Meanwhile manga will continue to sell, and will seep into our culture.

Then before they know it, the jews will have lost the culture war to shit lord Japanese people.

Did naruto continue to chase after the girl he had a crush on, like some sort of creep? NOPE, he moved on an married someone else, who ironically enough had a bigger rack and was from a richer family. You never see this plot twist in american comics or movies. The beta cuck stays loyal to that one girl, no matter her faults, and ends up saving her from her own self blah blah blah.

The freemarket always wins, no matter how hard you try to fuck with it, it will find a way to win, and the more you fight it, the more it will destroy you.

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I've tried to get into comics for 30 years. $7.99 for 10 ad filled pages just doesn't do it for me, a person used to 400-500 adventure filled stories from books.

I finally got into manga with an e-reader and Berserk's compilation novels, the ones that have a large number of pages for cheap. I'm coming to the end of Berserk and look again at comics only to find nothing of interest. I don't want to read someone's tubbler blog via some brain dead super hero.

I want a good bit of action, with a small amount of feels to give the an/protagonist a reason for doing what they do. That's it, nothing terribly complex, nothing boring, no lecturing.

Occasionally covering an idea a character holds is fine, as long as it is done from the character not shoe-horned in. It can even provide some interesting character progression. Unfortunately comics and superheroes are the wrong place to fully explore the ramifications of an idea or ideology.

As an asside: do we have a good place for manga suggestions? I suppose I could start in with Naruto but it looks a bit large of a work.

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[–] senpaithatignoresyou 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Tough call.

Did you know that a lot of the harder to find 70s works where comic adaptations from adventure stories and pulp sci fi?

It is something that you have to explore around a bit with. I like desert punk because of the post apocalyptic feel.

Berserk is an amazing concept, as it is a mixture of militant Buddhist mythology and Norse mythology, which is why it is dark as fuck.

A lot of the amazing stuff, is not mainstream, and hard to find good translations for. You can spend hours looking at the different series, and find tons of stuff that just does not fit into a genera. It is quite amazing to see how an industry grows when there are no gatekeepers keeping the goyim out.

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[–] lurklurk 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Read this next if you like Berserk. Blame!

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[–] hypercat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I was reading Ranma 1/2 for years. It came out in 1987 or something, movies in the 90's, complete books out in the 90's. Still not popular. Sure, you have weeaboos, but it's not taking over. Just parts of the population that are mostly creepy.

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Naruto got married!? Shit, I haven't even seen that in 10 years, but now I have to read a summary.

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[–] B3bomber 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If I remember correctly he gets involved with Hinata. Honestly I'd choose her over the pink haired punch you into the ground just because I felt like it Sakura (whatever spelling that has).

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[–] senpaithatignoresyou 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yeah, and the kid is getting a spin off series.

It is some high level stuff too, as one of the underlying themes of naruto is that for a person to be successful, they need a strong male role model.

They then are showing that this has effects across generations. high level kek and the liberals do not realize it.

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[–] Sveenee 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

“Gabriel’s point is bullshit,” wrote Gizmodo’s Beth Elderkin. “It shelves blame onto the readers and blatantly ignores a lot of other reasons Marvel Comics are doing terribly.”

I think the VP of sales is better suited to comment on Marvel's tanking readership better than a blogger. The VP certainly has more to lose by being wrong.

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[–] Thisismyvoatusername 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

Yes. If sales are down, then sales are down. That indicates the readers no longer feel they get adequate value from the product to justify purchasing it.

It shelves blame onto the readers...

These people are simply incapable of deciphering simple English or basic concepts of cause and effect. No one is "blaming" readers, just like no one is blaming rape victims by telling women to avoid dangerous situations. But readers clearly aren't happy with the product if sales are declining. Declining sales is a separate matter from profitability.

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[–] whatisbestinlife 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

they know. they are lying.

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[–] Sev_ 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Gabriel's own quotes specifically refute Elderkin's comments. She obviously didn't bother to listen to him, because it didn't support her own personal agenda.

"But that’s what we saw in sales. We saw the sales of any character that was diverse, any character that was new, our female characters, anything that was not a core Marvel character, people were turning their nose up against.”"

So core Marvel character sales are fine, no problems there. The comics that readers (who don't generally fit the SJW demographic) don't want are the ones that people like Elderkin forced into existence with their whining.

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[–] ultrathat 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago 

truth hurts but expect this full on assault by our sold out media to continue until he's shut up because the last thing they can do is let us think we can win.

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[–] Diathorus 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Maybe but it's a lose-lose situation for him. He has to justify the low sales somehow and he is telling the truth. Of course I suppose there's always the lying/spinning/deflection option to shift the blame to something politically correct but that merely delays his firing not canceling it.

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Yup; he's sunk and the company probably along with it. They can't bring back the white guys because Hollywood producers will stop investing to make movies, advertisers will pull out, etc. If they'd never gone "diverse" in the first place, there would still only be the regular level of SJW bitching, but now that they've gone black, they can't come back.

It's like they never even realized why superheroes were so successful. Boys wanted to look up and see themselves fighting crime and saving the day. They wanted characters they could identify with and imagine themselves being.

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[–] Aetrion 1 points 21 points (+22|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Well, they actually aren't even wrong. People don't mind if there are women and minorities represented in their comics. They just don't like it when the characters they enjoy get gender and race swapped, or are declared to be Nazis, and then cast in stories that are overly concerned with the characters sexuality and political ideology instead of just having them fight a real villain.

The political discourse in old comic books happened between the heroes, who were talking to each other about their philosophies on how to keep people safe and punish villains. The good guys were speaking to readers of all kinds, they would disagree, sometimes even fight, but you always knew that at the end of the day they were the heroes and they would pull together when a true villain showed up. Now all the heroes follow a singular conformist view and talk down to everyone else.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Marvel was stupid for shifting this way to begin with. They easily could have built new colored characters which was what most people would have lived with. marvel probably would have done OK with the new titles until the storylines died. But nope ... Make Thor a woman and Spider-Man black ... Fuck that.

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[–] HeavyBrain 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Wait wasnt there a black spiderman already?

But its never enough for them is it.

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[–] WhiteRonin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No count. That was a symbiotic organism ... I read that series in real time ... Had to wait for new editions every month.

Many of us assumed it's male but I'd imagine it's a female by the way it clung all over you.

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