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[–] Duune24 9 points 95 points (+104|-9) ago 

It's a good day for freedom for all people!

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[–] PardiGras 5 points 43 points (+48|-5) ago 

Meanwhile the TPP train rolls along at full speed

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[–] feistylemur 2 points 27 points (+29|-2) ago 

Was going to say, man they want the TPP to get rammed through so bad they legalized gay marriage as a distraction.

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[–] betterpc 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

Is it? I doubt it because gay marriage should be banned.

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[–] Jamie_Dodgems 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Look, I understand how dangerous the TPP is and what it could do, but fuck your conspiratorial grubbing. Although marriage equality is a purely domestic issue, reducing it to a distraction efforts is an insult to the very reasons why it was so fervently fought for. I don't care about the lovey-dovey shit, but I appreciate this decision for the fact that it is an unarguable statement by the U.S. Supreme Court in favour of full legal equality for anyone outside the heterosexual norm. As long as those of same-sex attractions was denied the full range of rights and protections that are enjoyed by their fellow citizens, the precedent set makes it ever so easier to justify treating them as second class citizens. In the decision to bring marriage equality into U.S. law, there is an ecquivocal statement by the Supreme Court that those individuals are not sick, not demons and not second class citizens. It is the highest legal authority in America saying out loud that those individuals who had long suffered under the tyranny of the majority are entitled to the same self-evident rights enjoyed by the equal and free citizens of the nation, becuase they are full and free citizens themselves.

The mood in many LGBT conclaves today is one of celebration. You know why? Becuase this is America telling them that they are not, and will never again be, second-class citizens. To reduce this triumph to a distractory tool of your imagined cabel speaks of a sickeningly cynical disregard for the political rights of anyone outside your comfortable little bubble, something all to familiar to me. You would rather peddle your conspiratorial rattlings than admit that a long-maligned group is finally on the road to full legal equality. You don't care about anyone outside of your bubble.

To speak from personal experience as a closeted bisexual male, it is people like you that sicken me. I spent my entire teenage years suppressing my nature, becuase of the constant subtle messages from society that I was a lesser being, a freak, an abomination, simply for being born the way I was. I am happy for these people becuase of the simple fact that one of the most influential countries in the world has essentially come out and told these people that they are no less than any other citizen of their homeland. And this is a sweet thing to hear after so much strife and torment. People forget that it was largely acceptable to think of those outside the heterosexual norm as subhuman not even 40 years ago. In historical terms, it's barely an eyeblink from here to now. For you to grubbingly steal this hard-won triumph for your own gain is a sickening demonstration of how little you care about those not in your little bubble.

I know it's easy to forget, but these people are just as human as you are. They hope, they fear, they dream, and yes, they love. To hear legal recognition of this essential humanity is a triumph. You may say that it isn't important, and you may be entirely right, but to say that this means nothing is a shameful display of just how empathetic you are. To reduce this victory to a distraction on part of a created conspiracy is reducing this entire group of humans to nothing more than some footnote in your narrative. You may say that the majority will gain no benefit from this, that this will only matter to a small segment of the nations people, is both entirely right and completely wrong. You are the man encountering an individual throwing beached starfish back into the sea, and you ask them how the hell they are making a difference if there's no way he can save them all. And I echo that mans words one I say just one thing: it makes a difference for that one. And in the end, isn't that good? There may be a lot of difference between 1 and 1 million, but there is an equal gulf between 0 and 1. A single voice crying out into the darkness is infinitely greater than a forlorn silence. And if we meet the day where the joy of countless voices echoes far and true upon the abyss, it will be becuase the kindness of a few lit the way for many others to sing together, revelling in the essential humanity of all the disparate peoples of this blue planet. And I will count myself in paradise when that day comes.

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[–] Jamie_Dodgems 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Look, I understand how dangerous the TPP is and what it could do, but fuck your conspiratorial grubbing. Although marriage equality is a purely domestic issue, reducing it to a distraction efforts is an insult to the very reasons why it was so fervently fought for. I don't care about the lovey-dovey shit, but I appreciate this decision for the fact that it is an unarguable statement by the U.S. Supreme Court in favour of full legal equality for anyone outside the heterosexual norm. As long as those of same-sex attractions was denied the full range of rights and protections that are enjoyed by their fellow citizens, the precedent set makes it ever so easier to justify treating them as second class citizens. In the decision to bring marriage equality into U.S. law, there is an ecquivocal statement by the Supreme Court that those individuals are not sick, not demons and not second class citizens. It is the highest legal authority in America saying out loud that those individuals who had long suffered under the tyranny of the majority are entitled to the same self-evident rights enjoyed by the equal and free citizens of the nation, becuase they are full and free citizens themselves.

The mood in many LGBT conclaves today is one of celebration. You know why? Becuase this is America telling them that they are not, and will never again be, second-class citizens. To reduce this triumph to a distractory tool of your imagined cabel speaks of a sickeningly cynical disregard for the political rights of anyone outside your comfortable little bubble, something all to familiar to me. You would rather peddle your conspiratorial rattlings than admit that a long-maligned group is finally on the road to full legal equality. You don't care about anyone outside of your bubble.

To speak from personal experience as a closeted bisexual male, it is people like you that sicken me. I spent my entire teenage years suppressing my nature, becuase of the constant subtle messages from society that I was a lesser being, a freak, an abomination, simply for being born the way I was. I am happy for these people becuase of the simple fact that one of the most influential countries in the world has essentially come out and told these people that they are no less than any other citizen of their homeland. And this is a sweet thing to hear after so much strife and torment. People forget that it was largely acceptable to think of those outside the heterosexual norm as subhuman not even 40 years ago. In historical terms, it's barely an eyeblink from here to now. For you to grubbingly steal this hard-won triumph for your own gain is a sickening demonstration of how little you care about those not in your little bubble.

I know it's easy to forget, but these people are just as human as you are. They hope, they fear, they dream, and yes, they love. To hear legal recognition of this essential humanity is a triumph. You may say that it isn't important, and you may be entirely right, but to say that this means nothing is a shameful display of just how empathetic you are. To reduce this victory to a distraction on part of a created conspiracy is reducing this entire group of humans to nothing more than some footnote in your narrative. You may say that the majority will gain no benefit from this, that this will only matter to a small segment of the nations people, is both entirely right and completely wrong. You are the man encountering an individual throwing beached starfish back into the sea, and you ask them how the hell they are making a difference if there's no way he can save them all. And I echo that mans words one I say just one thing: it makes a difference for that one. And in the end, isn't that good? There may be a lot of difference between 1 and 1 million, but there is an equal gulf between 0 and 1. A single voice crying out into the darkness is infinitely greater than a forlorn silence. And if we meet the day where the joy of countless voices echoes far and true upon the abyss, it will be becuase the kindness of a few lit the way for many others to sing together, revelling in the essential humanity of all the disparate peoples of this blue planet. And I will count myself in paradise when that day comes.

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[–] festiveLemur 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I just read through Chief Justice Roberts's dissenting opinion and highly recommend it if you'd like to hear the argument for why Obergefell v Hodges sets a dangerous legal precedent. It's surprisingly sympathetic to the homosexual community and definitely made me think about how we as a Democracy make our decisions. You can check it out on the Supreme Court's website here..

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[–] FourNominalCents 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Well, if they actually cared about freedom, they would have reduced the government's role to civil unions as soon as there was a nontrivial amount of debate on the subject so that nobody would have to accept someone else's (religious) definition of marriage as fact. When the vast, vast majority of people agreed on what a marriage was, it was convenient and efficient to fold that into administration. When that went away, possibly as early as the beginning of the debate about no-fault divorce, that was no longer the case, and civil unions for all became appropriate.

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[–] tankfull2doom 6 points -2 points (+4|-6) ago 

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[–] Patranus 30 points 7 points (+37|-30) ago  (edited ago)

Bad day for the Constitution and the rule of law.

Edit: Its funny seeing people using the down-voat button as a 'disagree' button as people are inferring that I am against homosexual marriage. I did not take a position on it. .

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[–] James557 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago  (edited ago)

What is the constitutional basis to deny same sex marriage? If anything the constitution supports it

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[–] dushan 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

You're wrong and possibly trolling but I love that Voat doesn't make comments like this disappear - keeps the discussion lively!

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[–] Penguinkeith 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I'm downvoating and disagreeing, I feel this is freedom of expression/speech, and therefore legal via the constitution.

Edit.. this is especially true when federal marital benefits are involved, it's discrimination to allow two consenting taxpaying adults to get married and forbidding two other consenting taxpaying adults simply because they are the same gender...

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[–] pythagorean 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Maybe they're down voting you for posting a completely unsupported opinion, leaving them to make their own assumptions.

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[–] espresso_patronum 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

About damn time.

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[–] carlip 3 points 85 points (+88|-3) ago 

Hooray we can finally drop this dead subject and maybe focus on govt corruption

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[–] CrowTRobot 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

One can dream.

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[–] ThizzBoss 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

not gonna happen

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[–] carlip 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

People also said same sex marriage would never be legal in the US.

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[–] kujda 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Thank you for bringing this up. From my perspective this is a subject that yes matters, but to a very narrow group of people. The vast majority has nothing to do with it, and would like to focus on issues that show how our governments treats all of us (no mater orientation) like a thoughtless mass.

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[–] fluffingtonthefifth 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

One would hope that human rights and equality mattered to everyone, not just "a very narrow group of people". I understand thinking marriage is silly, but while it exists, everyone should be able to take part in it.

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[–] Break 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I understand where you're coming from, but the opposite of what you said is actually one of the most fundamental foundations of the United States.

Republicanism may be distinguished from other forms of democracy as it asserts that people have unalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters.[6] Alexis de Tocqueville warned about the "tyranny of the majority" in a democracy, and advocates of the rights of minorities have warned that the courts needed to protect those rights by reversing efforts by voters to terminate the rights of an unpopular minority.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republicanism_in_the_United_States

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[–] Servohahn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

No, no, no! We still have plenty of red herrings like gun control and the drug war. Also, just because the SCOTUS decides something, doesn't mean that politicians can't still be perpetual babies about it (see: Roe v Wade).

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

At least this card has been burnt though. I was so sick of it dividing people.

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[–] BadCartman 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Now we all hold hands and sing Kumbaya while free trade and privacy are stripped from our ignorant hands.

Cannabis legalization, gay marriage, abortion rights, and racism are not the challenges we face anymore. These are issues that tend to divide large numbers of people, but affect very few. I'm passionate about these rights, but trade, internet freedom, and privacy are more important than these other hot topics.

Most people agree on the big things - government shouldn't see my dick pics, shouldn't gather everyone's data, and shouldn't dictate trade between individuals.

The government never should have made any form of marriage a legal proceeding.

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[–] Cassiekin 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

I disagree, this is a huge step forward for liberty. There are grown men at my office crying in joy that now they can marry their partners. This is right up there with Loving v. Virginia.

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[–] BadCartman 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It is a huge step forward for liberty. No one is arguing that.

A bigger step would be that no one needs the government's permission to love, cohabit, and marry another person. Driving is a privilege. Marriage is a right that should not require purchasing a government issued license.

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[–] BadCartman 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

A gay black couple getting married in Mississippi, with the Confederate flag as their wedding colors, and a pastor that replaced "insert name here" with "nigger" during the vows would be news worth watching.

Anything else is just a distraction from real issues. Otherwise, it's just our government and media jingling keys and making googoogaga sounds.

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[–] lps2 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Seriously? Take off your tin foil hat - this isn't some government / media conspiracy to cover up the TPP - the government is way too inept to attempt something like that. The media sells what people buy and right now more people care about gay marriage than the TPP which makes sense - the benefits of marriage equality are much more tangible to the average person than a complex, secretive trade deal.

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[–] Jamie_Dodgems 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

OK, I know the timing of this seems awfully convenient, but do you really believe that the US Government is competent enough to pull off a distraction of that scale. If they got this passed just to distract from TPP, then do seriously believe that they bribed enough senators to get an overall majority over a trade deal, albeit a rather worrying one. The fact of the matter is that the main civilian organ of the US Government is so incompetent and factional that it, to be blunt, couldn't hit a cows arse with a minigun from 5 feet away. That's no big secret.

And either way, the sheer complexity of timing this right would make it supremely likely that something would go wrong on some level. The sheer complexity of getting the enough of a majority to get this legalized, in a country where a significant amount of people in power still believe that dinosaur bones were planted by Satan to cover up the true age of Earth, is frankly leaving far too much potential for something to go wrong. Maybe a bribe wouldn't go through. Maybe a group of hardliner Republicans would try and scupper the majority. Maybe the secret FEMA death squads would just get the wrong guy for fucks sake! You don't seem to recognize the simple fact that no government in human history has ever carried out every single coverup completely successfully. There are to many weak links in the chain. Even the USSR couldn't keep everything secret, they just had the option of sending the people who sussed it out to Siberia. You don't seem to acknowledge that the idea of evil never getting delayed is pure fiction. You seem to think of the US Government as the Galactic Empire raring to blow up Alderaan, but ignore the fact that it's only the fictional tyrannies that never have to face the wrong end of Murphy's Law.

I guess that the essence of what I'm trying to say here is that you prefer the fantasy of a government manned by evil geniuses to the idea of a government peopled by benign fuckwits all trying to accomplish what they think is he right thing and fucking it up miserably. I don't blame you. It gives you an overriding reason for why life in any democracy is always going to be at least a little bit shit. Something more appealing to your remnant monkey pattern-recognition algorithm than the idea that it may be shit on the pure account of government itself being populated by idiots. Something that gives you a smug sense of satisfaction from being better than the unwashed masses. Anything to give you some grand narrative to pin your fragile sense of meaning on, Anything that distracts you from the fact that we live in a random and uncaring universe that has us dimwitted monkeys as its only "intelligent" life. In reality, there's just the universe, the crap in it, and us in the thick of it trying to make sense of everything using a meat computer designed to allow a monkey to tell the difference between ripe and unripe fruit. There's no magic sky grandpa, no dreaming godhead, no eternal cycle, no onward march of progress. There's just us, clinging on to whatever comforting lie allows us to ignore the fact that we are apes bumbling through a silent cosmos, looking for some great story to satisfy our biological pattern-recognition opium pump.

And quite frankly, you believe in the idea of an evil genius government for the simple reason that it allows to ignore the horror of existence being essentially meaningless. You make no attempt to appreciate that hole in your heart for what it is, and fail to transcend the basic flaws of our monkey brains in doing so. I've had enough of you.

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[–] Astonisher 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm sorry but it's news for me. I'm sick of not being able to hold my boyfriend's hand in public without worrying about getting dirty looks or harassed. This is one step closer to that dream and I'll be damned if I give two shits about the TPP right now.

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[–] nus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Don't worry, people will still judge you.

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[–] andyTX 1 points 37 points (+38|-1) ago 

About time. The Republican County Clerk from my county (Bexar County, TX) has been saying for the past few weeks they will be ready to issue licenses 30 minutes after a ruling. http://tpr.org/post/bexar-s-republican-county-clerk-set-greet-same-sex-couples-i-will-if-scotus-says-he-can

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[–] Featherfall 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Good for them.

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[–] LongestUsernameEver1 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Leave it to Bexar county to be ready to go lol.

They can't get a person through the DPS line in under 2 hours but we can have marriage licenses ready in 30 minutes.

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[–] Magnar 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

Awesome news for Americans.

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[–] GreatRedditMigration 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I was secretly waiting to see which state would be last. Probably Mississippi.

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[–] scout238 2 points 21 points (+23|-2) ago 

wow... we are no longer AS retarded and backwaters as third world countries

welcome to the 21st century america

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

While it's awesome that same-sex marriage is legal, I still think this whole controversy could (and should) have been avoided by privatizing marriage and keeping the government out of it.

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[–] alphagammabeta1548 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Except that there are tons of tax breaks, benefits, and legal rights associated with marriage so the government has to be involved at some level

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

My argument is that they never should have been involved to begin with, let alone handing out tax breaks and other goodies to "approved" types of couples. Marriage only ever needed to be a private contract between consenting adults. The government barging in and dictating who can and can't get married instead of focusing on actually productive issues was the problem all along.

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That is the simple solution, but then what would the people argue about? Don't worry, we still have race and abortion.

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[–] Edogg007 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

Finally! It's nice to know my brother's marriage is legal everywhere.

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[–] pseudopsynic 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I'm probably gonna have a good number of weddings to attend now. Including MY brother's! I'm having a hard time finding the words to express my excitement!!

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