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[–] Bonechip 5 points 143 points (+148|-5) ago  (edited ago)

I do not partake in Marijuana anymore (heh, good ol college days), but from my experience,it causes the exact opposite of violence.

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[–] lxbb [S] 2 points 45 points (+47|-2) ago 

certainly, no one I've ever saw just punched someone because they were stoned and angry. Plenty of times some dude has been pissed and hit someone for no reason. And the whole it leads onto opiates is crap. http://europe.newsweek.com/marijuana-not-gateway-drug-325358?rm=eu

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[–] Titus-of-Voat 1 points 41 points (+42|-1) ago 

It isn't the use that causes violence it is the black market. Going after legal weed is counter productive.

Furthermore hasn't Trump repeatedly said this is a state issue? Legal weed had major support, this isn't going to be popular.

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[–] peacegnome 3 points 33 points (+36|-3) ago 

sessions never said anything about going after states that had recreational. The article is just extrapolating to break trump's support.

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[–] mamwad 19 points 6 points (+25|-19) ago 

News flash: Trump talks out of his ass.

The Trump administration only supports "states rights" when doing so promotes conservative policies. When blue states want to exercise their power, he's against it. Trump's rhetoric may be somewhat populist, but his administration is neoconservative through and through.

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[–] Maxcactus 2 points 26 points (+28|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I think that the main point of this will be to collect fines, confiscate property, make work for layers and fill corporate prison cells. I have known three people who served prison time for pot. All were nice, nonviolent working people. It really messed all of their lives up. One of my friends was raped pretty often while in prison and he was never the same. Putting people in jail for pot is pure evil.

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[–] mamwad 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

The only thing I thought about attacking when I got stoned was a bag of potato chips.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Should've seen the chips though. It was carnage. No potato deserves that.

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[–] Outlier00 7 points 88 points (+95|-7) ago 

Sessions can eat a dick on this one.

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[–] eggmunkee 3 points 26 points (+29|-3) ago 

Yeah, way to have some fucking backwards priorities. If they go after gangs, and they happen to be selling weed that's one thing, but attacking the principle of state sovereignty and recreational use of something that is generally less harmful than alcohol is stupid and dangerous. This will cause swat deaths, pointless prison sentences, and have little positive to show for it. Someone with a few more brain cells needs to explain to Sessions or Trump that this is dipshitery.

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[–] Outlier00 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Yes. +1

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[–] anonnynonny 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Sessions has not said whether he will revise the Cole memo or step up enforcement in states where pot is legal or decriminalized, but he confirmed Monday that the policy is under review.

The source article 100% contradicts this headline.

I don't agree with Sessions' stance on MJ, but this article is shit.

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[–] robabo 3 points 10 points (+13|-3) ago 

He really likes being a cocksucker.

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[–] Runaway-White-Slave 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Him and that damn Lindsey Graham.....

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[–] cdglow 3 points 78 points (+81|-3) ago 

Fake news!

Haven't people learned their lesson about reading articles and not just relying on headlines? I strongly believe this article is putting the least favorable possible spin on what Sessions actually said.

Just to be clear: though I don't use any drugs: I'm 100% for all marijuana and drug legalization as I believe you should have an absolute right to consume whatever plants or chemical substances that you wish into your own body even if its bad for you.

a) The article quoted Sessions as making a comment about increased THC levels in weed, directly followed up by a separate quote about violence associated with marijuana. This is being interpreted as Sessions claiming that weed use causes violence where they're two separate quotes and he never actually said that weed use causes violence. When he's talking about violence, he's most likely not talking about weed users, but about actual drug dealers, which is technically true, though you can argue that the violence is caused by there being a black market with no dispute resolution possible.

"I'm definitely not a fan of expanded use of marijuana," he said. "States they can pass the laws they choose. I would just say it does remain a violation of federal law to distribute marijuana throughout any place in the United States, whether a state legalizes it or not."

b) His opinion here that it technically remains in violation of Fed law, and that's true.

c) The reason for phasing out Federal for-profit prisons isn't 100% clear, but it's a leap to assume that it's about marijuana. It could be related to immigration. It could be related to terrorism. It could be related to increased human trafficking prosecutions that seem to be coming in. It could be about reducing government expenses. Why the assumption that it's solely about weed?

Sessions has not said whether he will revise the Cole memo or step up enforcement in states where pot is legal or decriminalized, but he confirmed Monday that the policy is under review.

d) They are probably reviewing everything that Obama did, which they should. If they go and do something stupid like making going after marijuana a priority, I'd be the first in line to rip them for that. But that's not what they said yet at all, and seems to contradict Trump's stated position which is that it should go to the states.

Let's wait and see what actually happens before relying on bullshit spin from both sides.

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[–] 1moar 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Thank you for a well reasoned comment. It is sensationalist in the headline, and I think folks on all sides are more on edge these days than in a long time.

I say this as a big fan of Trump. If folks have been paying attention, he has gone from bombastic to presidential in a very short time. I have faith in him, we won't always know his machinations or motivations. He is a shrewd and successful business man though.

Anyhow, going ot. Good post.

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[–] 8252949? 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

It might be good to read "The Art of The Deal" if you get a chance. Trump has a history of researching the people he is trying to persuade or work for, and then acting in a way that makes them feel more at ease with them. That is why he was able to change his attitude and campaign style so easily several times in the cycle, including around Inauguration: because he is far more intelligent than he appears, and he had some solid plans that he has been using and adapting from the start.

One of the big things to count on are the promises he makes, because he knows exactly how important it is to be known to keep your word. His day-to-day attitude may change, but he is still in Washington to "represent the formerly-forgotten men and women of this great nation".

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[–] SChalice 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They are phasing out private prisons because they are hellish and full of crime.

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[–] 8252852? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I learned that more than 20 years ago. Either research or hold back and wait for someone else to depending on how much I care -- very little these days.

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[–] huntercel 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think he is only referring to Drug Cartels and Gangs which can also become wholly invested in state recreational industry

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[–] SChalice 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

like the CIA

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[–] goodluvin 3 points 59 points (+62|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Causes violence based on what scientific studies?

What's really funny (or not)...
The prohibition was repealed because the excessive violence and corruption surrounding the enterprise.

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[–] lxbb [S] 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Never having toked himself apparently. Pretty evident if you've ever been baked.

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[–] Grifter42 3 points 18 points (+21|-3) ago 

Damn it, Sessions, we appointed you to go after pedophiles, not cannabis! It is a victimless crime to smoke a bowl and chill out watching miami vice.

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[–] dbvapor 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Even cops are asking for a reform on the drug laws to lighten penalties for cannabis use.

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[–] hotairmakespopcorn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

No science is ever used for drug scheduling or drug policy. Why would you expect anything different? Hell, many drugs are unconstitutionally scheduled. Congress has no legal authority to grant law making to third parties, yet it's a staple of the drug war.

Am disappointed that the Trump presidency seems to be headed down this loser's path. Prohibition is a failed policy. That's true 100 years ago and it remains true today. There is no evidence it is even good policy. The only thing it's proven to do is increase crime and increase police state policies. It's terrible for the citizenry.

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[–] goodluvin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Given the amount of scientifically proven data,

the DEA's current reasoning behind marijuana as schedule 1 should constitute fraud and racketeering.

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[–] ArsCortica 3 points 42 points (+45|-3) ago 

Violence? Really? From weed of all the fucking substances?

Saying the same about alcohol or tobacco (in the latter due to withdrawal symptoms) would be much more fitting. Don't get me wrong - I don't smoke weed or anything else personally and actually prefer alcohol as the "dosage" is easier to control, but weed causes about as much violence as a horse tranquilizer would. Gotta have the votes of old angry people, though.

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[–] ShowMeThePunny 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago 

Yeah, the only shred of logic I can find is that the illegal drug trade itself was a source of a fuck ton of violence, but the best solution to that is to end the prohibition not double down on the drug war.

With legal pot, the money goes to American farmers and taxes, rather than Mexican drug lords sitting on top of a mountain of bodies.

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[–] therealkrispy 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The drug war was a failure because they fought drug dealers on the "front lines" and usually wound up catching bulk buyers that classified as dealers because of the sheer amount on them. The strategy should've been to secure the border, rehabilitate addicts, get confessions from actual dealers and find distributors and producers and throw the book at those individuals.

Of course, that never happened, because the producers and distributors are either in other countries, here illegally and untraceable, well connected in state government, or in some cases, there's evidence that they are CIA assets.

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[–] Palkaner 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I know a fair number of cops and prosecutors, and this is almost always their #1 reason for pot being bad. In that world you often see things linked together even if there is not a clear line of causality. If you see that someone was arrested naked, violent, and doing something crazy there is almost always meth involved at some point. Almost all gang cases I've seen have pot related to them at some point.

In law enforcement the why of cases (especially with drug cases) is not often as important as you might think. If you hook someone on something very small and then find drugs on them during the arrest search it is an instant easy felony case. You don't have to prove a laundry list of things to build a charge, you just have to show they had this and this is drugs. This means that if you want to send someone away you don't need to wait for them to commit a felony you can prove, you just have to find a tiny excuse to search them or their home/car and now you can get rid of them. Some cops I know only ever bother with drugs and PV cases. They are super easy and are usually guaranteed winners and make great arrest stats.

This gives the cops an express lane that more or less bypasses due process.

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[–] Tsilent_Tsunami 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Old angry person who smokes/vapes/partakes here. There's a much more credible case for making alcohol illegal than pot. However, the phony drug war is the primary issue. Either make drugs illegal and actually enforce the law, or legalize them.

You can be sure the availability of illegal drugs would dry right up with the right disincentives. The current "drug war" is bullshit.

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[–] therealkrispy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I think he's being told to make a big stink about it, but the states are being communicated with to fight back in court, and the courts will be coerced to support the states' right to legalize marijuana.

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[–] eulogyjones 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I've acted like a belligerent fuck while drunk before but never have I ever felt the urge to be an asshole or violent while high.

Moreover I'm so fucking tired of this drug war and a purposely misinformed populace. It also strikes me as strange that conservatives tout themselves as financially and economically intelligent while at the same time wanting cannabis to stay illegal.

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[–] Caesarkid1 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The only violence that weed causes is road rage from sober people and accidents from stoned people.

Same could be said about cellphones.

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[–] ArsCortica 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Even those "accidents" should be fairly rare, as stoners statistically speaking are less likely to try and drive a car than drunk people - chiefly because the stoners know they are stoned, whereas the drunk driver insists he is "compledly shober".

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[–] oddjob 2 points 30 points (+32|-2) ago 

Was Jeff Sessions already bought off by the private prison industry before he became AG or did they just move really quick?

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[–] waxdino 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

That and/or big pharma.

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[–] SpitsMonsters 2 points 28 points (+30|-2) ago 

Support those claims with verifiable information, otherwise it's a false narrative to support privatized prisons, big pharmaceutical and the tobacco and alcohol lobby.

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[–] TheDude2 1 points 26 points (+27|-1) ago 

Read what he said before you get all violent.

Sessions has not said whether he will revise the Cole memo or step up enforcement in states where pot is legal or decriminalized, but he confirmed Monday that the policy is under review. "Most states have some limits on it and, already, people are violating those limits," the attorney general said. "We're going to look at it. ... and try to adopt responsible policies."

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[–] eggmunkee 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Ok, thanks. It is more tempered, but still not great.

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[–] Durm 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This comment deserves to be closer to the top.

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