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[–] Penguinkeith 3 points 40 points (+43|-3) ago  (edited ago)

As if anyone can relate to Shakespeare these days...

Edit, I'm saying the teacher has a stupid reason for removing Shakespeare...

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[–] woofcat 0 points 41 points (+41|-0) ago 

Lets be honest, one of the major reasons for English class is to help define a common cultural thread through the country. If you miss out on key texts you will be lost in metaphors and other cultural works.

You are correct, I don't really have a story where knowing Hamlet has helped me deal with some tragedy, or where Romeo and Juliet has been a major turning point in my life. However without the knowledge of these items, there is something lost in the world and the students are worse off for it.

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[–] Turnystation 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

I agree. Shakespeare had a huge impact on English culture and language during his time, and although he isn't very relevant to our personal lives, references to Shakespeare's works are common in many forms of media, and anyone without any knowledge of Shakespearian works would be clueless to these cultural references.

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[–] Penguinkeith 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I agree, we read them because they are cornerstones to the modern English language, not for relatablility reasons.

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[–] 392132? 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Agreed 100%. This is a dumb, PC, leftist bullshit reason for removing Shakespeare. The real reason it should be removed is because to modern readers, it's borderline incomprehensible.

And also... they're plays. Why would you read a play anyway? We don't hand out movie scripts to students.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

The real reason it should be removed is because to modern readers, it's borderline incomprehensible.

It's not that hard, it's just a matter of learning a bit about sixteenth century English. Once you've read a few, you can understand the rest pretty reasonably. And you'll have a much better vocabulary.

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[–] GreatRedditMigration 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

1 thing that annoys me about about my high school english teachers. Reading plays out loud is the worst.

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[–] 395942? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

And also... they're plays. Why would you read a play anyway? We don't hand out movie scripts to students.

Watching a movie is a lot easier to set up for ~30 high school students than trying to gather together a group of people, having them rehearse and memorize their lines, get costuming and scenes done, etc.

If you had to make a movie every time you wanted to experience a movie's story, you can sure bet that we'd be handing out movie scripts.

That being said, most high schools I know of have a drama department that put on several plays over the course of the year. Many, if not all, of the English teachers gave extra credit for or required you to attend at least one as part of an assignment because they understood how important it was to actually see a production.

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[–] ActuallyNot 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

If children are aware of work by people like themselves, it does allow them broader horizons.

It's an especially dumb reason from an educational perspective. Which is the idea of school.

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[–] squeaky4all 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Having the original work compared to the many reproductions such as comparing "10 things i hate about you" to the taming of the shrew, or the lion king to hamlet can have some merit. I would also argue that the older versions of shakespear are hard to relate to and more modern literature has more luck in connecting with the students. Not teaching it because its ye old white speak is a pretty bullshit reason.

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[–] SwimmingInAFishbowl 10 points -3 points (+7|-10) ago 

This is the correct answer. I don't teach Shakespeare in my classroom because irrelevant. Whatever someone suggests Shakespeare is doing a contemporary text does it better, or it doesn't matter.

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[–] Lord_Shitlord 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

Irrelevant? Some of the best and most poetic writing in the English language? His phrases are still used today in modern English. http://www.pathguy.com/shakeswo.htm

One of the most influential writers in the history of the English language. You may not like Shakespeare, but to call his work irrelevant is objectively wrong.

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[–] technologyisnatural 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

I don't teach Shakespeare in my classroom because irrelevant.

The best thing it does for teens is give them a sense of their place in the world and in history. The language is archaic, and the culture is alien, but identifying with characters through all that is what makes it transformative. Besides, everything written since then references Shakespeare, so you're doing your students a real disservice if they ever want to read above the level of twitter. Reconsider.

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[–] planetpiss 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

"because irrelevant"

I don't believe you are a real english teacher.

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[–] squiremarcus 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago 

"Instead of Shakespeare, Dusbiber assigns texts by authors such as Isabel Allende, Sharon Draper, Francisco Jimenez and Gary Soto."

ok i am sure these are good authors lets look up some of the books they have written

http://sharondraper.com/images/books/thumbnails/7.jpg

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are you fucking kidding me?

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[–] eulogyjones 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Please tell me that's a joke

I don't want to believe that this is real...

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[–] RabidRaccoon 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

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[–] rothx 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

well this is one school to avoid and one teacher never to hire. One school district never to donate to.

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[–] indiglo_girls [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The irony of that author copying/updating Shakespeare is amazing. I wonder how many new words this author has contributed to the English language?

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[–] faissaloo 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Actually, Shakespeare never came up with the stories in the first place, he just built upon stories that were commonly told in that time

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[–] 123_456 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Now I know why people are saying the teacher is being ridiculous. For a minute there I thought she had something going.

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[–] dabork 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Romiette and Julio was actually a really good movie. It's basically just a modern day version of the story with all of the events pretty much intact but with guns and shit. Definitely not as bad as you probably think.

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[–] squiremarcus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

it is possible that this particular book isn't in her curriculum but i thought it was funny that she made a big deal about not teaching Shakespeare's works claiming that they had "no value" when one of the authors she is endorsing has published a modernization of one of Shakespeare works

and if it is anything like west side story then it probably would be a good read

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[–] Proppa 0 points 27 points (+27|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is the most racist bigoted garbage I've ever seen. Your student isn't white so you don't show him white authors?? Like, you're passing out copies of Shakespeare and you see an Asian student, you're like "oh, this book isn't for you. Here's a book by Ching Chong Mcdingerdong that's more suited for your people".

I realize she's most likely trying to cater exclusively to African Americans and Hispanics but it's the same fucking logic. If they aren't interested in the material it isn't because of their skin you bigoted fuck.

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

If that was her goal then why didn't she add more African American authors. Maybe spend less time on others to fit them in. Or maybe she isn't smart enough to do Shakespeare.

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[–] dabork 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Or maybe she isn't smart enough to do Shakespeare.

I think we're getting closer to our real answer. I think she just didn't want to take the time to help her students (and herself) understand Shakespeare, because we all know that shit isn't easy to get on the first read, especially if you're a student. Instead, she's probably letting the kids read things that beat you over the head with their symbolism and basically hold your hand through the whole story yelling "THIS IS HOW YOU SHOULD FEEL ABOUT THIS".

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[–] pilgrimboy14 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Now I'm offended that my English teacher made me read The Good Earth in school. I'm not Chinese. What was she thinking?

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[–] ObscureReference 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Using the average asian name 'Ching Cong Mcdingerdong' might be considered a little offensive.

Digging into the Breakfast at Tiffany's 60's asian racist references isn't classy.

\Not downvoting you, just making a point.

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[–] Proppa 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It was satirical but I'm sorry you felt offended by it. I think making a mockery of racism actually discourages it and diffuses tension, but there are those who would disagree. And they have every right to do so! Cheers

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[–] johnparish 0 points 18 points (+18|-0) ago 

Yep, we are entering a very broken time...

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[–] GreatRedditMigration 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The whole public school system is deteriorating slowly but surely.

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[–] NassTee 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Yes, god forbid something like The Merchant of Venice ever be discussed in a multi-ethnic classroom.

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[–] HappyExile 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

That play is kinda fucked up. When I read it as an undergrad I just felt bad for Shylock

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You're supposed to feel bad for him. On the other hand, he's also a bit of a prick. And that's part of what makes it a great play.

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[–] Turnystation 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

That was much more in depth and analytical than what you would expect of something called "thug notes"

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[–] conundrumbombs 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

THIS IS AMAZING!!!

(Sorry. Normally I avoid the Caps Lock key, but this was a special occasion.)

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[–] past 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I had a coworker who thought "et tu brute" was made up by the mean girls movie. Without a basic education, people will think you're an idiot.

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[–] indiglo_girls [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

If people like this teacher have their way, in a generation the people who will be regarded as "idiots" will be the ones who do know about Shakespeare.

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[–] Stork 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You people saw that movie "Idiocracy"?

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