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[–] Aetrion 2 points 124 points (+126|-2) ago 

Good ruling, no knock raids are total bullshit. It's just flat out treating citizens like they are enemy combatants.

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[–] DiscontentedMajority 1 points 47 points (+48|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Yep, a few more of these and cops might start understanding that no-knocks are a bad idea for everyone involved.

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[–] 7224075? 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

Exactly. A win for the anti-police-state camp.

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[–] wilw 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Not the cops, think wider, look at my last comments this is potentially an engineered effort to have bet on the jury making a different outcome - so they can erode "home defense" rights.

They're calling the Ohio state terrorist a "victim of police brutality" now. I shit you not, this is coordinated. Follow the money and politics

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[–] windsse 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They'll probably just make sure they kill anyone fighting back now.

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[–] Dildo-Shwaggins 2 points 25 points (+27|-2) ago 

I think the only acceptable reason for no knocks is a kidnapping/hostage situation.

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[–] Broc_Lia 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

If the occupant is actively committing a violent crime and the police have proof, I'm pretty sure they don't need a warrant.

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[–] AlphaWookie 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

What about a bomb maker?

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[–] canbot 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Some people are. The problem is cops abuse the privilege. They want to feel like Rambo so they go kicking doors down when they should be running investigations.

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[–] MaxVieuxlieu 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It wasn't a ruling though, this was a jury verdict and has no binding precedent. I agree with your assessment of no-knock raids though.

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[–] NobleCreaturePuncher 1 points 55 points (+56|-1) ago 

2 years in prison is a long time to wait for this trial, the man was obviously not at fault from the get go.

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[–] Ajaxofbarbaria 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

He needs a payday after losing 2 years of his life. He deserves at least $100,000 for the hassle (more if he lost employment or a house).

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[–] A_Fringe_Element 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Of course he did - how many jobs are down with you being two years late?

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[–] ThePolymath 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Maybe now he will bring a suit against the PD or county or whatever. I hope he does.

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[–] ScreaminMime 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

$100k for two years? Min wage [$7.25] x 40 + mandatory OT [$10.87] for the 168 other hours per week should be the minimal he is paid. And it should come out of the police retirement package not front he tax payers. Start holding cops accountable for their actions, like we do doctors, and thing s will begin to change.

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

In colonial America, any jail time over about 3 months was considered a "cruel and unusual" punishment. In fact, they didn't have prisons for the same reason. You would spend a month or two maximum in jail awaiting your trial, then spend time in the stocks/pillories, pay a fine, have your hand branded, be whipped, or be executed. You could also do fun stuff like pre-pay fines for crimes you were going to commit (most often not going to church; you could pre-pay a year worth of sleeping in on Sunday morning. You would also be fined if you didn't own a gun).

The principle of "habeas corpus" in law comes from the fact that in early medieval times (and earlier), innocent people would be thrown in jail "awaiting a trial" until they died in there.

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[–] zoupSER 1 points 39 points (+40|-1) ago 

Cops deserve to get shot if they break the law, in situations that non cops would be expected to get shot. This is a good precedent. "No knock" raids is not law enforcement, it is a gang breaking in to take you against your will.

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[–] Totenglocke 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago 

Good. Maybe police should actually do their job and arrest people who then get a trial by jury instead of sending hit squads to murder them in their sleep.

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[–] Alois_sticklgruber 1 points 18 points (+19|-1) ago 

Castle doctrine. A mans castle is his to protect with deadly force if needed. Once they start to erode that principle, its downhill.

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[–] m00nman 1 points 17 points (+18|-1) ago 

Ridiculous that someone would even be charged.

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[–] VillaLopez 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

He wasn't sheep enough.

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[–] Troll 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Just knock or ring the doorbell you fucking dipshits, it's not that hard.

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[–] HowieCameUnglued 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

The precedent - which makes some sense - is that if you ring a drug dealer's doorbell, he'll flush his stash down the toilet. If we didn't have a pointless and expensive war on drugs, we might not have established a reason for no-knock raids.

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[–] Troll 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Let's for the sake of argument assume that the police is attempting to make a drug related bust. Isn't it easier to just arrest the man on the street with a backpack full of heroin, rather that to send armed people into his home where his kids are? I'm actually arguing methodology here. I think raiding homes is only necessary when the residents are in danger.

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[–] Diogenes_The_Cynic 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

They can shut off municipal water.

In fact, thats what they used to do before tacticool SWAT became normal.

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[–] superq7 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

How can they flush the drugs if the cops haven't planted the drugs on the body yet. .... Ohhhh lol, good point in all seriousness.

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[–] 8Hz_WAN_IP 1 points 11 points (+12|-1) ago 

Maybe now police will stop doing no knock raids.

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[–] vacvape 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

How will they find all of those 'proceeds of crime' if they start knocking now?

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[–] eggmunkee 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

They will always have beloved highway robbery.. wait no it's called civil asset forfeiture, that's more civil sounding. (I hear this annoying echo saying "No this is a good tactic.. blah blah blah" or is that just me?)

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[–] fuzzywhiterabbit 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

Well, the Cubs won the World Series, so maybe...

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[–] AlphaWookie 3 points -3 points (+0|-3) ago 

Why the tactic works less officers and suspect are injured since there adoption as a one of many policing tactics. I guess you are ignorant of the hostage barricade event of the 60's, 70's, and early 80's that resulted in more injuries and deaths for police and suspects.

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[–] 8Hz_WAN_IP 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No knock raids =/= hostage rescue

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