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[–] nakk 6 points 21 points (+27|-6) ago 

Good, keep that shit home. Fuck yeah America

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[–] Plavonica 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I agree. We should keep our worker's rights standards high and hold everyone we do business with to the same standards. Maybe lowering the tax% based upon how close to (or better than) our standards the host country treats it's workers. Should be a much larger penalty tax for any company who uses slave labor (like Qatar).

Want to make the world a better place? Instead of starting wars halfway across the world, we should instead lead by example and hold our companies to said example or make an example of them.

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[–] Turn_Coat 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Deus Vult. 2017 shall be the year of the turn of the tide.

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[–] nakk 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Pulling USD out of countries can do just as much damage as marching our Army through. Well, it depends which country.

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[–] 7077141? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What's amazing to me is the liberals trying to demonize this move. You'd think it'd be a hard thing to attack, but on the radio they were trying to say "well, this is just going to move jobs to poorer states w/ lower minimum wages". How is that a bad thing?

At least the jobs are still in America, and the poorer states could definitely stand to gain some industry and manufacturing jobs I can understand the complaint that this will raise the price of goods or somehow hurt our businesses' competitiveness, but moving jobs to poor/Red states is a fantastic side effect that is exactly what Trump supporters wanted of him.

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[–] Totenglocke 23 points -3 points (+20|-23) ago 

I hope you enjoy significantly increasing your cost of living. About a decade ago my state (Ohio) had an item on the ballot that would jack up the minimum wage and continue to increase it year after year (I think only for 5 years or so, but I'm not sure). As someone with a bachelors in Economics and a masters in Applied Economics, I tried explaining to my friends that this was a bad idea and it would lead to higher prices and a small decrease in the number of minimum wage jobs. They refused to listen because Democrats think that you can legislate prosperity. After the law passed and went into effect, those same friends who voted for it immediately started bitching about higher prices (such as Wendy's 99 cent chicken nuggets going up to $1.29).

Jobs get outsourced not because companies are "literally Hitler", but because unskilled Americans think that they deserve middle class wages for something that a trained monkey can do. If the welfare leeches were willing to do the job for what it's worth (not much), then companies wouldn't have any motivation to outsource manufacturing jobs.

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[–] Niggersdid911 6 points 22 points (+28|-6) ago 

Weird because In the 50s and 60s those "unskilled" workers had an amazing standard of living.

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[–] Shekelstein6M 6 points 10 points (+16|-6) ago 

This is not about minimum wage. It's about tariffs on companies that export labour. Now I usually stay away from the argument from authority, but since you saw it fit to flaunt your degrees as an affirmation of your authority all I can say to you is:

Do you really think you know better than the billionaire that has been in business for over 50 years and has built over 500 businesses? He could buy a thousand of people with degrees like yours and it wouldn't put a dent in his wallet.

I think he knows what he's doing here.

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[–] 7066522? 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I think it's more a matter of supply and demand. By making the US an expensive place to live we will deter immigration, and encourage emigration.

Cost of living will go up, and if you can't find a job to support yourself you'll have to go somewhere else for work.

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[–] heili 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What would you do about the exportation of or replacement with foreign visas of skilled people, software engineers such as me, who are frequently forced to train our H-1B replacement because he'll do my job 18 hours a day for a fraction of the money (which he will send most of back to India while he lives in a 1 bedroom apartment with 8 other Indians) and do a lower quality of work than those of us who were forced to train these replacements?

This isn't just about unskilled people who want 20$ an hour to push a broom and empty trash cans. Using cheap import imitations to produce a lower quality of work affects a lot of people. What does your economist training say about that?

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[–] FemaleVet4Trump 3 points 15 points (+18|-3) ago  (edited ago)

My father-in-law worked for a casket company that just 10 years ago made 1/3rd of all caskets in the US. He is 61 and has worked for them his whole life, moving his way up the production ranks to middle-ish management. A year ago the company was purchased by a larger memorialization brand. New heads swore that if costs were cut, the plant wouldn't move to Monterrey, Mexico. Most younger/newer employees were laid off and pushed to quit. My FIL volunteered to take a lower paid position because he worried about trying to find work at his age. He hoped to be able to stay until he was able to retire. The Mexican man who would be employed in FIL's old position at the new plant was brought in and my poor FIL had to train him. Well, that demotion was for nothing. They just closed the plant and will transfer production to Mexico. The workers didn't even have 60 days notice. Merry Christmas. I haven't heard the name mentioned in the media when discussing the outsourcing of manufacturing jobs. It seems to only be covered by their local country radio station.

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[–] pinkmagnet 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I never thought about it but I really don't want to be buried in a coffin that was made in mexico. sheesh...

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[–] Echo_of_Savages 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Sounds like the Free Market... Welcome to capitalism buddy.

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[–] OhBlindOne 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

This is just more big government.

Don't for businesses to do anything. Make it more appealing to keep the jobs here instead oa outsource, not by punishing, but by making America a better palce to run a business.

I get why he's doing this, but I think he should be going about it a different way.

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[–] statik 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Yeah, I don't get this. A lot of people here seem to decry government regulations, but then this proposal by Trump is great? Its the definition of cognitive dissonance.

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[–] jhaluska 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Seriously, don't people realize this would at best create a few jobs at the expense of the increased cost of those goods. Or at worse force companies to be based in other countries, making the flight of jobs/taxes even worse. Either way the average consumer will suffer.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I like his idea, but:

Article I section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the exclusive power to levy taxes, duties, imposts, and excises. The president does not have any power to raise or lower taxes on his own. All he can do is influence Congress and veto any legislation that he finds objectionable.

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[–] JeffersonWeighsIn 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

"We are infinitely better off without treaties of commerce with any nation."

--Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1815.

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[–] daskapitalist 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I feel like pointing out that he was advocating laissez-faire policies - a complete opposite of Trump's position.

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[–] JeffersonWeighsIn 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

"Consolidation [of power] is the present principle of distinction between republicans and the pseudo-republicans."

--Thomas Jefferson to William Johnson, 1823. ME 15:421

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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Was the point of that not that commerce should be allowed without treaties?

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[–] JeffersonWeighsIn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

"I sincerely join... in abjuring all political connection with every foreign power; and though I cordially wish well to the progress of liberty in all nations, and would forever give it the weight of our countenance, yet they are not to be touched without contamination from their other bad principles. Commerce with all nations, alliance with none, should be our motto."

--Thomas Jefferson to Thomas Lomax, 1799. ME 10:124

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[–] Cantilever 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I would be ok with keeping jobs overseas as long as they have to comply with every equivalent American regulation in order to import the products they make here. In addition, they'd have to lower the cost of living to be equal to the cost of living in the countries where the outsourced jobs went.

The root of the problem is that we aren't on a level playin field when it comes to labor. Corporations have taken advantage of cheap labor not by keeping the cost of their goods down to be more competitive and offer consumers lower prices, they've outsourced to keep prices the same and maximize profit.

I used to be very pro-capitalist and say anyone who thinks there's such a thing as "too much profit" is a "commie." But I now realize that the market will not correct itself. Greedy investors and shareholders will always appoint executives to run the companies they own as long as they do everything in their power to increase profit.

Nothing that gets outsourced has benefited society in any way. The prices stay the same. The profits stay overseas, so our country doesn't benefit. Yet they hide behind capitalism like it's the American way. Capitalism is fine, but when it's international free trade, that's not a level playing field and our country and citizens get screwed by it.

America is fertile ground for startups because our culture promotes free speech and critical thinking. I'm sick and tired of American companies screwing American hard fought freedom to suit their own greedy agendas!

You think amazon, Boeing, Apple, Microsoft, Twitter, or Ford could have been started in fucking China or Bangladesh or any other country where our jobs got sent?

Fucking think, corporate America! Once you bleed our beloved country to death, where will you go?

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[–] Cantilever 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Idk, man. I think if it were possible for these types of businesses to be created elsewhere, it would have happened by now. But you don't see this unique type of business being created in places where they send the labor. It's like these greedy assholes get the benefit of freedom of thought and speech and a great education, they come up with amazing ideas to solve practical problems, they create businesses using capital they get here, and then they transfer all that wealth overseas to places where they wouldn't have had a snoball's chance in hell of having a similar outcome.

It's rape and pilliage of free society. And it'll be paid for in economic collapse.

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[–] bagano1 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I feel sorry for a lot of the people on here who don't want to question corporations.

They're crooked as fuck, living high off the hog. Ever been around the rich? The super-rich? They're ultra piles of shit. Most aren't happy with their lives. They view anyone making less than them as the useless masses and proles. They're offended when you ask for more money. It cuts into their wealth and they're annoyed by it. They're also scared of it too. When you are in a position of power and looking to maintain your wealth, you'll do anything to make sure it stays that way.

They can lose half their wealth and still be rich. What will happen to you if you lose half your salary? You'll lose everything, lol.

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[–] sjwaremindzombiez 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

People have a hard time giving up the propagandic "red team or blue team" bullshit. It's all gray man (or purple).

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[–] ithurtswhenitcpip 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

I work in IT and have experienced multiple instances when companies I worked for outsourced and axed the local staff so I would very much welcome this. Foreign labor, just like any other import, should be taxed. Local labor is taxed through income tax but foreign labor is just a write off for the company with no negative consequences (except getting terrible service). If these companies that oursourced were instead making hard goods and importing them they would be subject to tariffs and duties so why not foreign labor making soft goods? India itself pulls in over $60 billion a year from the US alone and this is money that once it leaves is not going to come back. The money used to be re-invested in things like schools, bridges, airports and now it goes to pay for the boom of building in India.

We need to take care of our own first otherwise we will have nothing.

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