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[–] epsilona01 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

See: Paris Bataclan massacre. It shows that the "oh it's because states around Illinois have guns" is BS. Hell, one of those guns came from Obama's "Fast & Furious" debacle waaaay over across an entire ocean.

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[–] SlimeJime 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

To be fair, even if you have concealed carry laws you're usually not allowed to take them into concerts, sporting events etc. so it wouldn't have changed anything.

Typically you're not going to have an event with 20k people open carrying, but even if there was, a carefully coordinated attack would cause an absolute total massacre.

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[–] epsilona01 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You completely missed the point. I was saying that even with the gun control laws they have in France and Europe, these fucks were still able to get weapons and use them to murder people. Illinois likes to say "oh the states around us have guns so criminals can still get them" as a way to decry people's 2nd amendment rights in neighboring states... but clearly criminals who want to have guns will still get them even if they're not available in the state, or even in nearby states.

The gun control laws don't stop criminals from getting guns, just average law-abiding citizens.

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[–] downton-stabby 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Fuck off with the to be fair faggot. Yes it actually does help. The majority of crimes are happening not in concerts or events but in streets. You stretch of concert / sporting a Nice try. Even if you argument is about the France massacre, this point is about Chicago in general.