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[–]ratki11er2 points
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In fairness Chicago's murder rates aren't really skyrocketing they are just being more accurately reported since Chicago PD was caught red handed doctoring their crime stats in the last 4 years or so.
See: Paris Bataclan massacre. It shows that the "oh it's because states around Illinois have guns" is BS. Hell, one of those guns came from Obama's "Fast & Furious" debacle waaaay over across an entire ocean.
To be fair, even if you have concealed carry laws you're usually not allowed to take them into concerts, sporting events etc. so it wouldn't have changed anything.
Typically you're not going to have an event with 20k people open carrying, but even if there was, a carefully coordinated attack would cause an absolute total massacre.
The left continues to promote more laws to thwart this problem. The correct way to cull the herd would be an automatic twenty five years incarceration without parole for the use of a gun during the commission of a crime.
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No fucking kidding. Him and his one positive comment (literally) out of hundreds, and hundreds of ghost upvotes.
It couldn't be more blatantly obvious what hideous, slowly lurching monster is making the first steps onto our porch, at least for anyone with experience with manipulative SJW takeovers.
We don't do something while it's early, we're going to be the next Something Awful, NeoGAF, or Reddit in no time.
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I am 100% sure that no gun ever jumped out if it's case and went cruising the Chicago Ghetto for someone to shoot. We should look at the groups that are pulling the triggers, not the triggers.
Gun control has no affect on crime, except to make some of those crimes involve firearms less, much the same way we see less assaults by bullwhip today. Thats not crime reduction, its remediation.
The high crime of Chicago has many causes, one major one being the war on drugs and the gangs that get funding from running drugs. This contraband is what funds their gun purchases and gives them reason to fight to the death over turf.
Youth gangs have always been a part of major cities, and they have fought over turf for generations, they just generally didnt feel the need to kill eachother until prohibition made it worthwhile.
I think you missed the point entirely. The left has the premise that strict gun laws will prevent gun violence. This is obviously not true since Chicago has strict laws and high gun violence.
It is as you said, gang violence is the problem. Not guns.
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[–] ratki11er 2 points 19 points 21 points (+21|-2) ago
In fairness Chicago's murder rates aren't really skyrocketing they are just being more accurately reported since Chicago PD was caught red handed doctoring their crime stats in the last 4 years or so.
One of many easy to find sources about this issue - http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/June-2014/Chicago-crime-statistics/
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[–] epsilona01 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago
See: Paris Bataclan massacre. It shows that the "oh it's because states around Illinois have guns" is BS. Hell, one of those guns came from Obama's "Fast & Furious" debacle waaaay over across an entire ocean.
[–] SlimeJime 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
To be fair, even if you have concealed carry laws you're usually not allowed to take them into concerts, sporting events etc. so it wouldn't have changed anything.
Typically you're not going to have an event with 20k people open carrying, but even if there was, a carefully coordinated attack would cause an absolute total massacre.
[–] midnight_rider 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
The left continues to promote more laws to thwart this problem. The correct way to cull the herd would be an automatic twenty five years incarceration without parole for the use of a gun during the commission of a crime.
[–] NomeSayin 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Obama just pardoned a crack dealer that subsequently killed his girlfriend and her (maybe his too) kids. Thanks Obama.
[–] Crashmarik 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
Need to let this guy know https://voat.co/v/politics/1439973
And btw anyone who is thinking at all should be able to read his 5 points, take them apart and laugh.
[–] 6951903? 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago
No fucking kidding. Him and his one positive comment (literally) out of hundreds, and hundreds of ghost upvotes.
It couldn't be more blatantly obvious what hideous, slowly lurching monster is making the first steps onto our porch, at least for anyone with experience with manipulative SJW takeovers.
We don't do something while it's early, we're going to be the next Something Awful, NeoGAF, or Reddit in no time.
[–] Porphyrogennetos 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago
Those 5 "points" are old bullshit leftist rhetoric.
It's nothing new, and it's not even supported.
"If you're worried about the government taking your guns, they can just do it so don't even worry about it"
I mean Jesus Christ where to start with this kind of retarded reasoning?
[–] newoldwave 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Chicago has their own kind of gun control where blacks control the guns.
[–] NomeSayin 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago (edited ago)
"But, but, how can this be? It's a gun free zone. How can there be any murders in a gun free zone? "
Said every libtard gun control supporter everywhere when the cognitive dissonance set in.
[–] TrueMask 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
I am 100% sure that no gun ever jumped out if it's case and went cruising the Chicago Ghetto for someone to shoot. We should look at the groups that are pulling the triggers, not the triggers.
[–] Mathurin1911 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Gun control has no affect on crime, except to make some of those crimes involve firearms less, much the same way we see less assaults by bullwhip today. Thats not crime reduction, its remediation.
The high crime of Chicago has many causes, one major one being the war on drugs and the gangs that get funding from running drugs. This contraband is what funds their gun purchases and gives them reason to fight to the death over turf.
Youth gangs have always been a part of major cities, and they have fought over turf for generations, they just generally didnt feel the need to kill eachother until prohibition made it worthwhile.
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[–] NomeSayin 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago
More guns in the hands of non criminals is fine. Your argument sucks.
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[–] Fitblue 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
I think you missed the point entirely. The left has the premise that strict gun laws will prevent gun violence. This is obviously not true since Chicago has strict laws and high gun violence.
It is as you said, gang violence is the problem. Not guns.
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