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[–] salvia_d [S] 0 points 68 points (+68|-0) ago 

Note that Facebook deleted the girlfriends FB page and the video that was uploaded. Fuck Facebook!

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[–] EllenPaosEgo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Any proof facebook deleted it and not her?

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[–] salvia_d [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

That's what the news said. I doubt that she would have been able to, she was being detained.

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[–] FrozenFire74 19 points 26 points (+45|-19) ago 

Voat has a conflict of interest here:

On one hand, the guy is black.

In the other, he's got a liscence to carry.

No one here will touch this one with a 10 ft. pole.

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[–] squidicuz 5 points 32 points (+37|-5) ago 

Are any of those a reason that he should be dead? Fuck ya'll.

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[–] jerry 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

I don't see this "no one will touch this topic har har voaters are so dum" mentality. Most voat users are against police executions of citizens, I doubt anyone but the annoying racists will care that the guy was black. No one should be executed by the police! This is the problem here and I'm sure we all can agree on that

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[–] 5732713? 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

I've seen the left twist itself up in similar knots. People need to quit being so fucking divisive and work on fixing shit for real.

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[–] Capt_Rye 4 points 6 points (+10|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Best solution to fix the issue. Police retraining on how to approach people. Our military, the people trained to shoot other people, are better trained at deal with and de-escalate situations with armed and un-armed civilians.

Edit: not advocating martial law. Just better under pressure training. E.g. send the fuzz to the army to see how they deal with armed populations in war zones and maintain cool calm composure, and better weapons control (not approaching with guns drawn or pointed and not drawing their guns until a weapon is seen in hand).

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[–] curtislow1 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

There will be a paid vacation for the cop and a huge payout to the family for a wrongful death, covered by US the taxpayer. To reiterate the meme about publicly funded police officers needing to have Liability insurance: Other people who work in jobs where public safety is a factor already do this! One would need continuing education (non lethal conflict management), one would need to pay their own insurance premium . The insurance company, not the taxpayer, would be liable to pay these millions of dollars in fines the cities are coughing up in response to these Yahoos who have no self control. If the insured show themselves to be more of a risk, their premiums go up and up until they are not able to afford to practice. Further more, In order to continue to carry a gun one should need continuing education as well, the same as hair dressers, nurses, doctors, teachers, in any role that public safety is a stake..To have a regulatory body be sure the officers who interface with the public and are armed have education in non lethal conflict management classes. These kind of checks on these individuals are a reasonable response to these unchecked murders. No day in court , no judge and jury equals vigilantism=murder. Many people gripe but there are no reasonable suggestions as to how to really deal with this problem. We do need cops, There are truly dangerous people who need to be removed from the populace, because they prey upon us all. We do need to be able to TRUST cops will allow for the "criminal" to have their day in court. Is there a middle ground with real solutions

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[–] HST 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I love that this anti-divisiveness comment has 0 downvoats.

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[–] northportage 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is one of those times a bodycam was imperative to know what really happened.

Doesn't part of a license include training on how to inform/interact with police while CCW? There's a specific phrase you're supposed to say? With hands on steering wheel, or at least clearly visible to the officer:

"Do you have any weapons in the car?"

"Yes sir, I have a conceal carry permit, my firearm is located [say where] and my permit is in my wallet which is [say where]."

Await officer instructions.

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

In general that is what you are suppose to do to inform an officer you have a weapon. It is often best to tell the officer before they even ask though and do not fuckin move.

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[–] aileron_ron 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

FrozenFire74: How do we know he had a licences to carry, because the woman said so.

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[–] FrozenFire74 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Until conflicting evidence proves otherwise, yes, I'll believe her.

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[–] diesel4420 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

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[–] thegrapetrain69 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

i think this cop is wrong in what he did but i have a pistol revovler license and when i get pulled over i let the officer know im carrying and where on my body my pistol is. i then ask him if its ok to reach for my wallet with my information and i tell him where my wallet is located. everytime i follow these steps ive never had a problem. regardless what this cop did is sickening

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[–] salvia_d [S] 6 points 1 points (+7|-6) ago 

This guy did the same and he got shot 4 times. He also had a child in the back seat and his girlfriend beside him. I wonder what the difference between you and him could be... hmmm... let me guess.

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[–] EllenPaosEgo 3 points 7 points (+10|-3) ago 

He didn't have a girlfriend and was single. The woman lied about that in the video, also you claim 4, the woman claims 1, 3, 5, and 4. The difference is how people act at the traffic stops, saliva you claim that he did exactly as thegrapetrain does except it isn't on video. You are jumping to a lot of assumptions and trying to make this a race thing that the chinese cop shot the black guy. What we see on the video is a calm and collected woman not helping a dying man, then uploading it to facebook and crafting a narrative. One that changes several times in the same video. Your title is entirely inaccurate as any research into the dead guy will show he is single and all of his social media accounts back that up. You are listening and believing instead of looking at this from an impartial perspective and just judging the video on what is actually on the video.

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[–] fr33europe 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

He's most likely a law abiding civilized human being.

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[–] AlphaWookie 5 points -3 points (+2|-5) ago 

This guy did the same and he got shot 4 times.

Based on what? The ramblings of a niggress. This is why you posted this thread so you could get your little bit of echo chamber going. This is why in general Voat ignores the stories because Voat does not enjoy mouth-breathing faggots shitting up the site.

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[–] fuck_communism 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I get the DL, insurance, and registration out before the cop is at the window. Papers in one hand, other hand on steering wheel, gun in console. Keep hands on wheel when cop has papers. Never had a problem. Reaching into your pocket when a cop's got a gun on you is a stupid move, even if he's asking you to. Sure would like to see video of the 5 minutes before the girlfriend's video.

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[–] smeezekitty 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Cops shouldn't have suck itchy trigger fingers

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[–] tux 8 points 6 points (+14|-8) ago 

Why isn't anything referencing this on the front page? It happened way more recently than a lot of things that are.

Even Reddit isn't censoring articles about this...

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[–] jeffwingersballs 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

Get back to me when this thread gets deleted and your comment gets deleted

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[–] AlphaWookie 6 points 9 points (+15|-6) ago 

Because no one cares. It is just an invitation to pointless speculation so no one cares.

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[–] CallsignSpooky 11 points 45 points (+56|-11) ago 

Oh please, that's what it's all about. The Alton shooting thread has all kinds of speculation in it. Yeah, Voat has a racist bias but this is an article where a lot of people SHOULD be pissed off. A CCW holder was shot by police and despite this site's hard-on for hating blacks, the woman didn't appear as "ghetto" as most do. She was calm (as anyone could be) and collected and complied with everything the officers asked of her. I'm willing to bet that if this guy was posting Youtube vids and parroting alt-right points, Voat would call him based as fuck.

It's clear the officer knew he fucked up, considering how much he was shouting "FUCK!!!" over and over. The cop wasn't racist, dude was damn near crying himself over the issue. This was a fuck up but it's also an unacceptable one; a person cannot exercise their 2nd amendment right without potentially getting shot by the police, even if they comply.

No one wants to admit that they have a bias. I do. I like guns, I'm black, and I'm getting a CCW. I don't have a criminal record and own several firearms. Yeah, I have a dog in this fight and it sucks to know that if something like this happened to me, not only would the left use me as an effigy against LEOs but the right would just ignore it as "pointless speculation" and not worth their time. Until we start fighting for the universal rights we claim to believe in, and hold EVERYONE to that, good or bad, we won't make any headway in this fight.

If you don't fight for innocent blacks, then you can't ever hope to gain control of the narrative when guilty blacks commit crimes. No one on Voat gives a shit about the murder rate in Chicago, or how many black men kill each other. It's just virtue signaling of a different nature; the arrogance to utter those words in one breath and then turn around and wax poetic about "dindus" and "savages". It's just as hypocritical as SJWs. Both sides use us for their own ends and that's why blacks have had such a hard time in the court of public opinion. We're superpredators until we're victims, we're always deemed a threat until a mountain of evidence proves otherwise (usually post mortem), we're always a poor and victimized class until we're rapists and murdered.

We're just human for fuck's sake. There's good and bad in every human being, culture, and society at large.

Just because you don't care, doesn't mean that no one does.

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[–] Giraffestronaut 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I wrote a long comment about this on another thread, but who knows whether that will last or not. It is strange how little traction this story seems to be getting here.

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[–] AlphaWookie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It is not strange at all. There is little to go on except a he said she said at this point.

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[–] tux 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thanks for linking that.

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[–] wolfkin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

it's almost as if voat doesn't care about actual news

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[–] Capt_Rye 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

In excusable. This is an other incident of officers to quick to point a gun at people. Again!

Here's the situation. Our own military forces, the men and women trained to shoot people, are better trained and better prepared we're dealing with and the escalating situations involving both armed and unarmed civilians that our own civilian law enforcement. To rectify this we need to begin training our officers to never approach a situation with a gun drawn or in a posture in which it appears they are ready to draw their gun until another weapon is seen, in hand and pointed at them or someone else. And even then to reach for taser pepper spray ask or disarming tactics before reaching for their firearm.

An alternative or in addition to solution would be to disarm two-thirds of our law enforcement officers and have them instead only armed with non-lethal Alternatives and only be able to use lethal Force if they call in a trained armed officer.

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[–] FriedFood100 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I don't know much about this particular case, but I want to say I think it obvious the left and their mainstream media are purposely covering & looking for these situations now to get Hillary's crimes off of the front page, stoke racial flames to divide the electorate and get the black populace rowed up and vocal for "Hillary 2016" and anti-trump sentiment, and of course to get them rating$ up.

Time for some good ol' summer looting & riots, brought to you by the race baiters on the left and their mainstream media.

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[–] Kal 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

You dumbfucks are really going to make this about the left and hillary? Jesus fucking Christ. Every thread.

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[–] FriedFood100 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Turn on the news. Its happening!

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[–] DiscontentedMajority 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I do think that many leftists are trying to stir shit up by making scumbags who get shot by the police into heros. However, from everything I can find on this one, it looks like this guy was a pretty stright arrow and the cop royally fucked up.

One of the things that is really sad about the whole thing is how this guy is going to be lumped in with a bunch of thugs who pulled weapons on cops, because he's black and that's all the media cares about.

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[–] squidicuz 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Nice, extrajudicial executions are making a comeback.

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