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[–] Forbin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The narrative that large numbers of Sanders supporters are going to switch to Trump is ludicrous. There will be some, but those will be outliers. Trump's "policies" are anathema to progressives and liberals--not to mention whatever "socialist" supporters Sanders has. There is literally NOTHING about Trump that would attract a Sanders supporter unless their only criteria was to elect an "outsider" candidate. This is not only stupid, but pretty insulting to Sanders supporters since it reduces their support to an unprincipled, non-ideological level.

Previous election cycles have shown that about 90% of people who supported the vanquished candidate end up supporting the nominee, and that will hold this time (it might actually be higher since nearly all Progressives & Liberals view Trump as a dangerous demagogue). The reality is that the ideological and policy differences between Clinton and Sanders are a matter of degrees whereas the other candidates (especially Trump) represent a radically different (and repugnant) approach for them.

Sanders will endorse Clinton as soon as he gets a few concessions from the DNC. After that he'll give some widely covered speeches against Donald Trump. Sanders despises Trump and considers him an existential threat to our nation--people who have really supported Bernie's positions don't need this cue, but he'll give it to them regardless.

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[–] Forbin 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Oh, I can name many, but let's talk about just a couple. The first is Trump's "wall." Sander's was/is 100% in opposition to this. Next let's discuss Trump's other main "policy," i.e. a ban on Muslim immigration & refugees. Sander's is also 100% opposed to this. The list goes on and on--there is NOTHING that Trump has proposed that Sanders agrees with. Bernie has repeatedly stated that he finds Trump to be abhorrent. I don't know how much clearer it gets than that.

To argue that Trump is going to inherit any significant number of Bernie supporters really does suggest that they are idiots who voted for him only because he was an "outsider." That is just not the case--in fact, most people who supported Sanders were drawn to him because he unapologeticly argued for liberal/progressive policies unlike Clinton who is seen more as a compromising, inside the beltway "realist" who will compromise in order to move in that direction. That is why Bernie has yet to concede and why he hasn't endorsed--he's attempting to force the DNC to embrace a truly progressive platform that leaves no wiggle room. But make no mistake, very few Sander's supporters will EVER support the likes of Trump. Most will be happy to vote for Hillary insofar as it is their best bet towards moving the country in a more progressive direction (albeit not as rapidly).


[–] UnspeakableMe ago 

I'm a Bernie supporter currently planning on voting for Trump simply to demonstrate to the Democrats that if they continue to be a party of pathetic half-asses that cave under pressure on some of the most fundamental issues of our era then they deserve to be annihilated. After 8 years of Obama having promised the most open and transparent government in modern history, a promise he flatly broke, we are now supposed to vote for a candidate that went from being overall in debt from legal fees to having a net worth of over $100 million giving "speeches" to the likes of Goldman Sachs that she won't let any of the plebs know the contents of. Guantanamo is still open, we're still invading Middle Eastern countries constantly, we're still mandated to buy insurance from private for-profit companies without the availability of a public option, and the banks are bigger than ever and know they'll never be challenged again. Meanwhile for all of these "successes" the Republicans have managed to corner every state and local government in the country through redistricting.

Maybe if they lose the White House to Trump it will be enough of a disaster to force the party to actually grow some balls and change direction, rather than spending all their time screaming mindlessly about how women and minorities are soooo important so that everyone forgets how little they actually accomplish.

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virge 0 points (+0|-0) 46 minutes ago

It's adorable you think the typical voter knows a single policy of the person they are voting for.

That may well be true on the Republican side, but it is far less for Democrats. And Sander's supporters are unusually well informed. Bernie is a well-known "Democratic Socialist" and you better believe that label brought on a LOT of scrutiny when people were evaluating him. In fact, it was his clear articulation of his ideas that won him acceptance from Americans brought up to reject anything pejoratively labelled "socialist." That in and of itself should scare the living shit out of Republicans/conservatives...whatever you think of Hillary one thing we all know is that she's cut from the old-school Democratic cloth...wheeling & dealing, inching left, but willing to compromise. The fact that Bernie presented an unapologeticly leftist agenda and garnered the level of support he did is a evidence of which direction the electorate is moving.