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[–] Sev_ 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I suspect that the number is far lower than the article claims. I've always been a true independent voter, and my candidate choices for various offices have been republican, Democrat, Libertarian, Green, etc based on the person, the platform and the job at hand. I'm used to nobody knowing who my candidate is, being accused of ruining elections, and seeing "5% of the vote" as a victory.

Most of these people are not. I know of one ardent sanders supporter who I actually believe will vote third party or write-in in the fall. Everyone else, when actually pushed on the issue, says "I'll do what it takes to stop trump", which is shorthand for voting for She who shall not be named.

Anyone who actually believed in Sanders message who opts to vote "establishment" is spineless, weak and uncommitted. Their true beliefs are for sale, just like their final choice of candidate.

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[–] Forbin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The narrative that large numbers of Sanders supporters are going to switch to Trump is ludicrous. There will be some, but those will be outliers. Trump's "policies" are anathema to progressives and liberals--not to mention whatever "socialist" supporters Sanders has. There is literally NOTHING about Trump that would attract a Sanders supporter unless their only criteria was to elect an "outsider" candidate. This is not only stupid, but pretty insulting to Sanders supporters since it reduces their support to an unprincipled, non-ideological level.

Previous election cycles have shown that about 90% of people who supported the vanquished candidate end up supporting the nominee, and that will hold this time (it might actually be higher since nearly all Progressives & Liberals view Trump as a dangerous demagogue). The reality is that the ideological and policy differences between Clinton and Sanders are a matter of degrees whereas the other candidates (especially Trump) represent a radically different (and repugnant) approach for them.

Sanders will endorse Clinton as soon as he gets a few concessions from the DNC. After that he'll give some widely covered speeches against Donald Trump. Sanders despises Trump and considers him an existential threat to our nation--people who have really supported Bernie's positions don't need this cue, but he'll give it to them regardless.

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[–] UnspeakableMe ago 

I'm a Bernie supporter currently planning on voting for Trump simply to demonstrate to the Democrats that if they continue to be a party of pathetic half-asses that cave under pressure on some of the most fundamental issues of our era then they deserve to be annihilated. After 8 years of Obama having promised the most open and transparent government in modern history, a promise he flatly broke, we are now supposed to vote for a candidate that went from being overall in debt from legal fees to having a net worth of over $100 million giving "speeches" to the likes of Goldman Sachs that she won't let any of the plebs know the contents of. Guantanamo is still open, we're still invading Middle Eastern countries constantly, we're still mandated to buy insurance from private for-profit companies without the availability of a public option, and the banks are bigger than ever and know they'll never be challenged again. Meanwhile for all of these "successes" the Republicans have managed to corner every state and local government in the country through redistricting.

Maybe if they lose the White House to Trump it will be enough of a disaster to force the party to actually grow some balls and change direction, rather than spending all their time screaming mindlessly about how women and minorities are soooo important so that everyone forgets how little they actually accomplish.

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[–] avnti 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Count me as another write in. I'm an adult and I will not be bullied and scared into voting for anyone. It's a voluntary action within my civic rights to vote for who I want.

I am an American damn it! We do not bend the knee.

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[–] Sev_ 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

If you're a sanders supporter, I suppose I have an out of left field question for you, especially since you've mentioned your rights (such as voting for whom you please). Disregard if you're not.

Do you have issues with Senator Sanders actively voting to use the horribly flawed "no fly list" to blanket-ban US citizens from using their 2nd amendment rights with absolutely no due process or legal recourse? I mean, the guy had two amendments in front of him, one was the blanket ban, and one included (delayed) judicial checks. He chose the one with no legal recourse and voted against having the courts involved when it comes to taking away someones rights? I could understand him voting no on both, but it seems like he very deliberately chose to not give a damn about peoples rights.