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[–] common_sense 3 points 25 points (+28|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Despite his beliefs, I respect the talent and athletic ability of this man.

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[–] 9-11 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

r.i.p. cassius

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[–] ElectricBlankaHadou 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

It is truly a loss for us. May he rest in peace.

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[–] dildonkers 30 points 20 points (+50|-30) ago  (edited ago)

Good riddance.

In a press conference articulating his opposition to the Vietnam War, Ali stated, "my enemy is the white people, not the Vietcong".[18] In relation to integration, he said: "We who follow the teachings of Elijah Muhammad don't want to be forced to integrate. Integration is wrong. We don't want to live with the white man; that's all."

Sorry it wasn't a more painful death.

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[–] Semillas 5 points 23 points (+28|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Ali was born in 1942 and would have been in his teens when the Civil Rights Movement was at a fever pitch. You have to take his words in the context of the time, not the context of today. He grew up during a tumultuous period for black folks, where it was understandable for them to hate "the white man." Not only were citizens "allowed" to overtly harass and assault black folks, but so were cops. Crimes against black folks went unpunished and there was little hope for legal recourse.

Let's put that in context of today with muslims in the EU. What are victimized white folks to think when crimes go unpunished? What are they to think when the media not only refuses to broadcast their story but censors it? What are they to think when their fellow citizens shame them for speaking out about the injustice?

America was a very different place when Ali was coming up and you have to keep things within that context.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy 2 points 9 points (+11|-2) ago 

Clay became heavyweight champion of the world in a white supremacist country. Where else was he going to do that then, the Congo? His anti-American hate whitey act was based more on emotion than reason and was part and parcel of his general attention whoring. He made more money and achieved more success than almost any white man. I think attempts to make excuses for him here have little to stand on.

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[–] Dereliction 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

His racism is okay because their racism is not. Sounds just like today.

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[–] Apathy 4 points 14 points (+18|-4) ago 

Doesn't want to integrate, I get that. But if white people don't accept everyone, it's racist.

Doesn't want to integrate, but every one of these fuckers want to move to a white country. Fuck logic, right?

Doesn't want to integrate, but white people MUST provide aid, because racism, discrimination, and god knows what.

We should really start re-accessing our priorities.

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[–] Oliver_Tambo 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

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[–] the_spectre 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

reassessing*

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[–] Oliver_Tambo 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

So because he had his own preferences he deserved to die painfully? Wewlad.

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[–] dildonkers 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

Muslim nigger who hated whites. He should have been exiled from America, but by then the country had no balls.

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[–] onezeno 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Self segregation, what's more to want? He was also opposed to racial intermarriage. Based Ali.

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[–] KingDom 0 points 12 points (+12|-0) ago 

Wish I could have shook his hand, but he did enough of that for all of us.

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[–] Oliver_Tambo 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

top kek. i'm taking this

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[–] goodyear_pimp 4 points 9 points (+13|-4) ago 

I feel like I am one of the only people who thinks he was a completely worthless existence. Outside of boxing(which is questionable if he is really the greatest) he was a fucking horrible father, terrible person, horrendous racist, and the list goes on. I think Mike Tyson in his prime would have killed Ali.

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[–] onezeno 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I agree about Tyson.

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[–] 5399597 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Prime Tyson was a great fighter, but Ali would be a bad matchup for him. Taller, wily boxer who could stay on the outside, just as fast, and with the chin and endurance to take it into the later rounds where Tyson was weakest.

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[–] goodyear_pimp 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Once tyson backed him into a corner. Game over. Tyson was a monster in his hayday. There is a ton of hype surrounding ali, more I think that he was good for his era more than good of all time.

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[–] Oliver_Tambo 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

Outside of boxing

wewlad.

I agree Tyson was technically better. But when he was in his prime Ali was the best boxer on earth at the time. And people loved him for his style and attitude.

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[–] uncletootie 11 points 7 points (+18|-11) ago 

The champ, RIP.

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[–] Joe_McCarthy 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

Overrated fighter (I'd say the most overrated ever) and the template for the loudmouthed asshole athlete that served as the antithesis to the sportsman-as-gentleman but though I had little use for him I'm not in any mood to dance on his grave.

RIP Clay.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Famous draft dodger. Of course only those who lived during he Vietnam War would understand that.

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[–] Forbin 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I think you're being a bit harsh. Unlike most others, Ali didn't run to Canada or try to use a bullshit excuse. He stood up for what he believed, refused to be drafted and fought them in court. I'm not saying you should agree with what he did, but at least he didn't lie and scheme like Dick Cheney, George Bush, Bill Clinton, Rush Limbaugh and plenty of others who avoided the draft.

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[–] newoldwave 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

But he dd use a BS excuse. He quickly joined the "Nation of Islam" church and they quickly made him a minister, thereby exempting him from the draft. Minister my butt!

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[–] Totenglocke 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And nothing of value was lost.

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