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[–] geist 0 points 31 points (+31|-0) ago 

Our justice system is fucked. Ulbricht isn't some dangerous psychopath who needs to be locked away forever. From what I've read, he seems like an overall decent person who did some very stupid and regrettable things.

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[–] Techno_Shaman 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Forrest (the judge) also ordered Ulbricht to pay the government more than $183 million, the value investigators placed on the illegal drug and identification transactions made on Silk Road.

Now they will (try to) get their cut.

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[–] EarthGleaner 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Basically the same as 85% of the US Prison Population.

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[–] geist 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Exactly. There needs to be some serious changes in the way we treat crime.

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[–] toobaditworks 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The psychopaths are in charge. Plants are illegal.

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[–] mitchconner 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Came here to say pretty much that.

PS: Are you geist from the BeOS scene?

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[–] peacegnome 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

That's a blast from the past.

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[–] geist 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Nope, never used BeOS.

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[–] tazmanian 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I would say that his sentence doesn't have much to do with his crimes. It serves more as an example much like Vlad's impalement of his victims proved to be a powerful deterrent to would-be criminals. Most people see the internet as an uncontrollable place and this is their best attempt at trying to manage it.

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[–] EarthGleaner 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You nailed it. I wonder how long it's going to take us to undo all this stupid shit the 50+ year olds are doing to us. They just refuse to step down.

Looks like we are going to have to keep building the future without them. Or, most of them. I know some awesome grannies out there.

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[–] buddah_lovah ago 

Does anyone really think that he would pull the same shit again? I see maybe some deterrent value, but I think other operators really don't care about the consequences anyway

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[–] Break 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The point wasn't to be a deterrent to HIM from doing anything simar again, when people talk about a punishment being a deterrent they're referring to the harsh punishment being a deterrent to OTHER people who might think about doing something similar in the future.

(Whether or not you think this deterrent message actually has its intended effect is a whole different ball of wax.)

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[–] Dont_Panic 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Seldom frequently?

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[–] vargo_voat 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Somebody please think of the children!

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[–] KorbenDallas 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I remember reading Howard Marks' autobiography Mr Nice and the lasting impression from that was that the United States was a vindictive, petty, and vengeful nation, especially against those who publicly challenge its authority and narrow way of life. Marks was lucky and served just 7 years of a life sentence for cannabis smuggling; hopefully Ulbricht will also see his sentence reduced.

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[–] reed 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Reading the comments on the associated reddit post on this topic is what I think has just pushed me over the edge.

Deleted the bookmark, I think I'm done there.

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[–] TimeWaster 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

In a strange twist, two federal agents who were investigating Silk Road were themselves charged in March 2015 with several counts related to allegedly stealing $800,000 in bitcoin and compromising the investigation.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

So... the testimonies of the two agents can be doubted. Retrial?

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[–] Dont_Panic 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

What the actual fuck. So maybe a dozen junkies OD from drugs purchased through silk road....how many people weren't robbed, raped, beaten, or murdered in pursuit of their fix? And how many of those junkies chose their path and would have inevitably SELF destructed?

LONG LIVE THE DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS!

this rum is for you kid. May the next world offer you relief...if not this one then may the next.

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[–] KorbenDallas ago 

Life imprisonment without parole is an insane punishment. In a civilized country (i.e. the Western world outside of the United States) he would have got maybe 5 years. Punished yes, but with enough years ahead of him to make a positive contribution to society.

And he wasn't charged for soliciting an assassination.

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[–] HoneyNutStallmans ago  (edited ago)

The fact is, he ran an illegal marketplace for drugs. I personally am all for the libertarian stance of the government not interfering with nonviolent transactions and people doing what they want with their own bodies, but this market effectively did facilitate the sale of heroin to 13 year olds (et al.). Due to the anonymized nature of the market it wasn't really possible to have any sort of controls on who is buying the products, and I think just as with any ideological framework, libertarianism exists on a spectrum.

What I wanted to see was a failed conviction due to the handling of the situation. Hopefully it would teach the government not to be cunts and to act honestly. Unfortunately the government tampered with the jury, which it ironically accused activists of doing, ruining any chances of nullification.

However, once he literally solicited an assassination from an FBI agent against an unfriendly entity -- you're now encroaching on digital mafia status, major organized crime and the like. I think it's a fair verdict.

He wasn't on trial for that.

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[–] MagnaFarce 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Didn't this guy also try to order a hit on someone? Or am I thinking of some other dark web figure?

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[–] Crom ago 

Yeah, it was him. His customer service guy got nabbed and he was afraid he'd talk.

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[–] beardman ago 

IIRC, it was pressured from the CIA undercover agents? Been awhile since I've hard about him to be honest.

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