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[–] LetsBeNakedOutside 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

While I agree with you, this should be a fairly easy rule to enforce.

Especially since OP is flagging things for them.

They should get more mods, or change the rule (which I don't support).

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[–] thrus [S] 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Actually I stopped flagging them my latest comments are along the lines of "Rule 2 User-editorialized titles are subject to deletion. but don't worry the mods never enforce it." to many times of just getting nothing leading to me being disillusioned that they will respond, explaining why the post is fine would be ok but we don't even get that when we call them out just nothing. and as far as I can tell from looking today only Typo is even active on Voat.

Edit: I will add that Typo is even aware that the rule in question is wanted by the community as it has been discussed before, they said so in response to unruly.

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[–] thrus [S] 4 points 3 points (+7|-4) ago 

Really most of the titles are fine, 95%+ of the time the poster simply copy and pastes the title that is great and easy to do.

Cops rarely punished when judges find testimony false, questionable - perfectly fine it is the exact title of the article

It is the ones that they ignore the title and twist it that annoy me especially when they are doing it to draw people in by sensationalizing them.

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[–] Typo 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

It is the ones that they ignore the title and twist it that annoy me especially when they are doing it to draw people in by sensationalizing them.

The site is run by the users. Before last rule change we received a lot of complaints about user titles so we changed the rules to "copy the title exactly". People weren't happy with it at all and it generated a lot of controversy. Users wanted flexibility so they got it. Install AVE and block users who editorialize their titles or hide posts. It will make your viewing experience closer to how you want it.

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[–] FreeSpeachRocks 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago  (edited ago)

Mods is a thankless, time consuming job.

If you are able to help, shoot them a note volunteering to become a Mod. If you can't Mod then help by messaging the offending poster or by down voating the post. Lastly, help make Voat what we all value by posting more.

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[–] thrus [S] 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

you are right about the mod job it is the reason I'm bringing this up instead of offering to take it up, I don't believe that I could do an acceptable job in the role. See my response to Gunness2's post for more details a lot of my response here would be a copy of that.

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[–] guinness2 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Agreed and thank you for the profoundly constructive comment.

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[–] guinness2 3 points 5 points (+8|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Would you @thrus be willing to help as a /v/news mod?

Is there anyone else here that wants to volunteer as a /v/mod?

That's a sincere question: perhaps the four current mods are insufficient because they all have other demands on their time?

That said, I do agree with you: I believe the recent spate of abortion pill advertisement posts is an indication that the current mods are failing to maintain a minimum quality for this sub... which is important to Voat because /v/news is one of the most popular subs!

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[–] Alopix 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This is always the problem; the people who would be the best mods generally don't want to be, and the people who WANT to be mod are generally the kinds of people you don't want doing it.

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[–] Ah_Pook 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I'd do it, except as one of the raving socialists on here, I don't think I'd be taken seriously. :)
We had a brief and similar discussion in Politics though... I'm totally against censoring, but the editorialized titles bug the shit out of me. Yes, they're clickbait, but they're not getting any better with the changes. Post the actual title, and then take the five seconds to write your view.
Just my (as usual) contrarian opinion. :)

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[–] guinness2 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Yup, I agree with you that the legitimate click-bait titles are bad enough without users making matters worse!

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[–] thrus [S] 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

I don't think I would be a good pick as a mod mainly due to the fact that I browse in my spare time and if something comes up I stay off Voat I also ignore the site on the weekends entirely. being a mod is a commitment and I don't believe that I could hold up my end of it to do an acceptable job.

You may be right and if that is the case they should look for people that are interested in helping out, and look at their history to decide if they are active and post rational comments to try and avoid anyone that will abuse the position. They may have posted elsewhere but I haven't seen them asking for help. Needing help isn't a weakness, ask if it is needed those of us in the community can even help by calling attention to things same as you called me here but when we do that and still get no response or can't see anything happening many hours later we get disillusioned and stop as it seems pointless. I'm more then happy to help out that way but in the past no comment to the OP or response to me either just nothing over and over, so I stopped what felt like wasting my time calling them.

But making a comment a week or so total and holding a mod position (amy 3 comments in the last month, forksandguys the same, system 2 comments total both 10 months ago not sure if this is a person or voat system account through) if that is the time put in is anything gained by having them there vs no one?

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[–] guinness2 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

and look at their history to decide if they are active and post rational comments to try and avoid anyone that will abuse the position

I absolutely agree!

We need mods who are reliable. I already mod a smaller sub and it does take a lot of thankless time: mostly in keeping up with evens and research.

My question was directed towards you personally but intended to possibly motivate other Voaters to consider the same question of themselves.

Thank you for raising this issue and creating this post because remaining silent won't achieve anything!

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[–] 5122246? 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I'd be ready to give it a try. Visit this site maybe 4-6 times a day and always get annoyed when rule 2 is broken. I would say the rules are fair and should be relatively easy to enforce

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[–] guinness2 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

My only concern about your possible nomination is your lack of post and comment contributions to /v/news.

Mods should be concerned about approving new mods who may have nefarious agendas.

I know that Reddit's /r/DebateReligion has been overrun by Muslim moderators who claim they are atheists and Christians... for example.

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[–] gota_party 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

I like entertaining titles. Change the rule.

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[–] phenomenaldouche 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Especially the ones that are entertaining and totally accurate, like this one.

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[–] acheron2012 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago  (edited ago)

So the real problem here is that we need to remove that rule. I thought it was not just stupid, but plain wrong from the start. I adamantly disagree that a post should be removed because it doesn't religiously copy the title of the article. That rule doesn't make the subverse better, it just prevents (potentially useful) summarization. Because let's face it, in addition to often being grammatically offensive a lot of titles are intentionally misleading - aka clickbait.

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[–] Typo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I adamantly disagree that a post should be removed because it doesn't religiously copy the title of the article

The rule doesn't say that. It says "state facts, not opinions or speculation". People can change the title of articles. OP wants titles that aren't directly copied from the article to be removed.

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[–] thrus [S] 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I would agree that would be an outcome that is acceptable, but as a user I have to look at what the rules are. If the mods have taken the time to make the rule I can at least not make their life harder by breaking them. We can question and discuss them for change but should follow them while they exist. Change isn't bad.

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[–] 8Hz_WAN_IP 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Normally voat grabs the pitch forks when they think the moderators are doing to much, I think it is going to take a long time for voat to find a happy medium.

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[–] thrus [S] 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Maybe but I have even tried being directly rude in some of my callouts to see if my comment would get deleted, nope nothing. leads to those of us trying to help getting disillusioned. You will notice I didn't call out the mods in this post, it wasn't to hide it I just honestly don't expect them to show up or comment even if I did so why take the time when my expectations are pretty much 0.

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[–] 8Hz_WAN_IP 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I don't know what you consider rude but I don't think that should warrant having a comment deleted, I used to moderation/admin a bunch of gaming forums and I always preferred a light touch. I agree that the voat moderators are sometimes too hands off but in cases when you are on the fence about something I would say leave it rather then delete it.

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[–] Typo 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

You frustration stems from a lack of understanding of voat. Comments don't get deleted unless they are spam. If you want heavy moderation head back to Reddit.

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[–] Typo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What is the issue with the rule? It's been the same one in place for months that the users agreed to and hasn't been changed. OP wants titles to be directly copied from the article. The rule says titles don't have to be copied directly from the article. They just need to be accurate.

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