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[–] me_buttare_via 1 points 24 points (+25|-1) ago 

I agree with him up to a point. Whilst I know exactly how awful and demoralising Depression is, (I have been dealing with it myself for over 25 years), I also lost my own father to suicide when I was 2 and a half and know how much it fucks up the rest of your life.

Personally, I think that when you choose to have children, suicide should no longer be an option. It is selfish to leave that trauma hanging over your kids, especially when you don't leave a note or any other "explanation". Your problems are over, but everyone else who you left behind has a lifetime of shit to wade through.

(Obviously, just my own opinion, no offence meant!)

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[–] rasputin420 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

"No offense meant!", mate, look at where you are hahaha. Sorry about your father, by the way.

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[–] me_buttare_via 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thank you. It was cough 39 years ago so it's not something that upsets me too much now but I suppose that's the point I was trying to make; it never goes away, it's always there in the back of your head.

(As for no offence, for a moment I forgot where I was posting!!)

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[–] pushthis 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

He was offed. Thats what wife says

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[–] me_buttare_via 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Does she? That's interesting. Do you have a source?

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[–] weezkitty 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I agree. It's one thing if you off yourself and you have no friends and family but entirely another if you have people around you.

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[–] PotatoFarm 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I can't remember the exact quote, but it was something like:

Those that are thinking about suicide should know that the pain won't go away, it will just move to their close ones.

And sorry to hear about your father, I do hope that you'll find a release from all that hideous baggage.

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[–] mznxbcv 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Isnt it selfish to expect your loved one to keep living in misery just so you don't have to cry a few times?

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[–] me_buttare_via 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

That quote is perfect, because it is so true. Thanks also for your sympathy. I think I've dealt with it alright, my older siblings were way more fucked up by his death, especially my 11 year old sister (his favourite), who went into wake him for breakfast and found him dead. You can imagine how badly that affected her and still does.

At least in Chris and Chester's cases their kids were not there. We should be thankful for small mercies, I guess.

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[–] JimboX 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Does anybody remember when that other guy in Korn said he thought Hitler was in heaven for doing "the right thing?"

No, seriously, he really said it.

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[–] jerry 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

He said hitler did what he believed was right and if you do what you think is right in your heart you go to heaven. That's pretty beautiful

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[–] Tallest_Skil 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's also completely fucking wrong. That's not how anything works, much less heaven–the LEAST subjective place that will ever exist.

Hitler's likely in heaven, though.

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[–] mudbear 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Subjectivism is about as beautiful as nihilism, if thats beautiful then kiddy fuckers are beautiful too, good luck rationalizing that. Hitler probably is in heaven though.

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[–] Rurntis 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

No, that's pretty retarded. Not everything is subjective.

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[–] BlowjaySimpson 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's as if he is entitled to his own opinions after doing his own research.

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[–] Psylent 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Just a pity his 'research' consisted largely of meth, weed, alcohol, cocaine, and mental problems....

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[–] murraryrothbard 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Suicide is a cowards way out. If you got people who depend on you then it's time to be an adult and do the fucking job. I always wonder what prescription drugs people were on in these situations. People often go to a doctor for mental health and end up worse off than they were before after all the drug cocktails.

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[–] prairie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Calling it the coward's way out is the sociopath's explanation, and just helps continue to not listen to people who are having hardship. It's the call of the system to keep sacrificing oneself to it. But dead people are easy to put down.

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[–] murraryrothbard 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Me me me me....What about the people he left behind? Do his kids matter? Advocating someone be an adult and be a part of their kids life is not sociopathic but if it makes you feel better to alter the english language go right ahead.

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[–] 9945999? 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

So I assume that you are against the death penalty in all cases?

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[–] murraryrothbard 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

What crime did he commit? I just said it was cowardly if you have people depending on you.

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[–] mznxbcv 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Gee, if only you had been there before he killed himself to call him a coward, I'm sure he'd still be here today.

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[–] murraryrothbard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

We'll never know will we...

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[–] 9947891? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It's all square and simple until the depression kicks in, then it goes incrementally fucked up irrational over the years/decades, most of the time you don't know when it started, after a while it's just there

The more people serve you "You can do it if you really want to", the more you get depressed realizing that they are right...Problem is that you don't want it, so, there's kind of no way out of it I guess... You don't want it because you're depressed, by definition you stopped to desire pretty much anything, starting with a shower

Let's skip your personal problems, familial background, debt, failed mariage, your job that you've been doing for far too long, your banker still arrassing you everyday, and all that, your kid that isn't doing well also, that you see every 10 years when you see him, barely had him on the phone, stories, communication isn't really good, so you call him eh

Well of course you're drunk, bottle has become a friend, so you talk to your kid this and that, worrying what he'll become, it escalates because he too is tired of this shit, then of course you talk about his mother like, well, she's a bitch just like your mother, stuffs

And then one night, it goes badder than usual, because the same shits kick in yet again, so you go for the bottle, and you drink too much, that's a couple of glasses too much, and fuck it

The end

...

Sometimes it's as dumb as that, it has nothing to do with courage

Don't drink

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[–] M346 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Also oh it's my friends Chris Cornell's Birthday, how about instead of letting fans remember him I kill myself.

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[–] iamafapaholic 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

The problem is that most people who are depressed and suicidal think that suicide is the best thing they can do for their family. They feel like a burden on their families in that condition and think everyone will be better off without them. Thats what makes depression so dangerous, it can warp your thinking to the point that you believe your kids are better off in life with you not around.

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[–] 9946261? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This. The idea that most people kill themselves because they think their lives are so hard is a myth. That "my life is so difficult, I want to die" stuff is the kind of thing teen girls who fake suicide attempts say. The belief that the world would be better off with them gone is at least a part of most suicides.

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[–] 9949980? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

True

Depression is vastly underestimated "well can't happen to me, I'm strong, it's only a matter of will"

It has a chemical part, brain chemical imbalance

It's like, being drunk, kind of

Nobody's stronger than alcohol, it's not a matter of will, you're drunk you're drunk

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[–] stillinit 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago  (edited ago)

This is making a lot more sense 12 years later

"On February 22, 2005, Korn's management announced that after almost 12 years, Welch had left Korn, citing that he had "...chosen the Lord Jesus Christ as his savior, and will be dedicating his musical pursuits to that end."

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 1 points 5 points (+6|-1) ago 

Yeah, a lil bit.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

100% yes. Holy shit, you're the reason for all the problems in the world. You don't even know what cowardice is. The kikes have gotten to you GOOD.

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[–] Infowarrior420 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I wonder why Chester didn't just use an exit-bag or something along those lines. Why would anybody want to die by hanging.

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Lol I hadn't heard the term exit bag before, hilarious concept though

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[–] Infowarrior420 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Exit-bag is the way to go if you want to DIY suicide. It's how I plan to go out if worse comes to worst.

You take this special bag, connect it to a can of gas that puts you to sleep while you suffocate to death so you're not panicking/squirming around while dying.

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[–] KatHarzso 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago  (edited ago)

It's a rather Viking way to off yourself, Odin sacrificed himself by hanging himself on Yggdrasil. It is said a means into entering Valhalla is not only through violent ends (like dying in glorious battle) but also by ending it yourself violently (hanging or other grievous self inflicted wounding).

Knowledge from my own self, and knowledge taken from a book called the Ethics of Suicide: Historical Sources by Pabst Battin

Edit: Doesn't make it any less cowardly to me, though, offing yourself. We all get to fucking die one day, why rush it?

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[–] Infowarrior420 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't see suicide as being cowardly. Sometimes people can be in such pain that death is the only option left, even in Chester's case where he's leaving a family behind. This is complicated because his children were still underage so this should have some deep psychological effects on them that will last the rest of their lives. If you're a parent and you leave your children behind that's pretty selfish, but who knows their situation the guy apparently was so down in it he could hardly function.

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