As we grow we will need to accommodate more traffic to the site which will require more money. Nobody likes ads and relying solely on donations might cause problems down the road if we ever fall short.
So here's my idea: We create a subverse where users are voluntarily and intentionally advertised to in order to raise money for the site. Maybe v/buy4voat or something similar, and we can link to product pages and purchase things that we were going to buy anyway except Voat gets revenue from the companies for the link. Something like Amazon affilliated links or Google "sponsored" links except we put the funds toward Voats things. Like upgrading the server. Or whatever, we decide! But seriously the server is gonna be important.
We can have a stickied post of all the companies that participate and as participation grows add a sidebar with shopping categories like v/buy4voatGAMES or v/buy4voatCLOTHES. The mods can solicit companies at first so that we have some good options and hopefully companies will start coming to us in the future. We all buy things online anyway, so why not have a portion of the purchase go towards funding Voat? Maybe we can get more money by allowing companies to advertise in ONLY those subs as long as the ads aren't terrible (like autoplaying loud noises).
The neat thing about this is that as our user base grows there will be more people to buy things online through Voat, so this will scale up as we do. More users, more purchases, more money to keep Voat operational, more advertisers...and back to more users as the sub grows and has more to offer.
How can we make this work?
Edit: Okay, so far the concerns seem to be (1) Security and (2) Possibility of Manipulation
With regard to #2 we can make all the mod mail for those subs completely public after X days, that way everything is discussed out in the open but not in such a was that it interferes with the mod team's ability to get things done or speak to potential participants without brigading. Thoughts?
As far as the security concerns, what (if anything) can be done to mitigate these? Will these concerns be a problem with any and all advertising so does that mean no advertising ever? Donations only?
If that's the case I'd love to get an Admin's take on the future of this site cost-wise if they don't mind sharing that info. Where are we now and where would we be if we were to have another influx of say 10,000 new users? With all the drama and censorship being exposed on reddit I think it's a real possibility that this site will act as a new community for people who are just done with it all. I think we should be proactive and discuss becoming self-sufficient as soon as possible. Or we find a rich person to help Vote through the first year of substantial growth.
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[–] Kathleesi 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
"you can't beat a good raffle" that phrase made me particularly happy for some reason.
[–] alphabeta [S] ago
Would Amazon Associates etc fall into this category, or just ads on the subs?
[–] something_went_wrong ago (edited ago)
https://www.reddit.com/r/newreddits/comments/22taxe/rthebestofamazon_was_banned_today_because_the/
https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/59604
https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/59441
Yes, I'd say anything "Amazon" related falls into that category.
[–] Seattleite 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
This sounds easily manipulated. I am not sure if I totally agree with it.
[–] alphabeta [S] ago
It's a pretty general idea at the moment. I definitely agree with you that the idea is pretty lacking in the transparency department. Any suggestions on ways to fix that?
What if we made the modmail for that sub public after a day or two? That way people can see what the mods are up to but not comment in the modmail directly and not interfere in discussions by brigading the mods?
[–] Flagger 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Great idea! Although I am not against ads at all as long as they are not horribly intrusive. I like to support the sites I enjoy anyway I can. This is still a really good idea though. Im all in with you!
[–] alphabeta [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I'm not generally against ads, I think maybe I just have a bad taste in my mouth from reddit. They started really pushing monetization hard and it was like OMG SPONSORED POSTS BUY REDDIT GOLD NEW FEATURE YOU CAN SEE HOW FAR SHORT WE ARE OF MONEY BLAAAARG. Maybe I'm just being dumb and we should take all the money we can get. Definitely no obnoxious ads, though. If it were possible to be more than 100% with you on that I would be so much more.
In any case, I think we can take this for a test drive before the site gets huge and if we can make enough money without ads on every page I'd kind of like to keep it cleaner. That's just my opinion, though.
[–] boat 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Isn't this assumption jumping the gun a bit?
Do we have reason to believe that something similar to the Reddit Gold donation bar is not a sufficient long term solution?
Do we have data on the amount of revenue that Reddit acquired from introducing Gold, and whether it was sufficient to entirely fund operating costs?
[–] alphabeta [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I don't know exactly how their income breaks down but in 2013 Business Insider did an article where then-CEO Wong said that they were still in the red despite their 70 million monthly readers. And both ads and gold were a thing at the time. Article here.
I don't have exact figures but I think we need to get creative about supporting ourselves.
[–] boat 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Well, simple and direct individual donations are pretty much the most ideal funding method from the economic perspective of perverse incentives. That is, I think they are the most stable, long-term way to fund a source of information without corrupting its objectivity.
When we look at something like Wikipedia, the donation model just works. Despite their being internal problems such as edit wars, the site has had quite a long lifespan, and has become one of the most valuable pieces of infrastructure in our information economy.
The problem with the Wikipedia donation model, is that the viewers are periodically subjected to an annoying banner of Jimmy Wales face. But suppose instead of intermittent fundraising, there was continual fundraising, continuously displayed in an un-obnoxious manner via multiple progress bars. Similar to the reddit Gold meter, but perhaps with multiple meters measuring the daily, monthly, and yearly funding progress. I'd have a tough time believing that the Voat would be unable to collect sufficient revenue to cover operating costs and their salaries via such a strategy.
That said, if the owners of Voat do not want to go the Wikipedia non-profit route and rely solely on donations, but instead wish to go the commercial venture capital route and attract investors for a big exit, that is certainly their right as owners.
[–] MadMonkey 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
This sounds like a pretty good idea actually. A really unique way to support the site.
[–] alphabeta [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thanks! It seems like a win-win all around to me so I'd love to hear everyone's ideas for making this a more polished idea. Especially transparency-wise and what not.
The mod team will probably be pretty darn big, especially for the first default purchasing sub, I imagine the more specific spin-offs won't need teams quite as large.
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[–] MadMonkey 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Massdrop has an entire system set up for what it does and it does it well. I think Voat should go in a different direction than what already exists.
[–] alphabeta [S] ago
So are they trying to lower the price to the absolute lowest price point through mass purchasing? I'm reading over that site now. We can try to do that, but would that mean that vendors are less willing to give Voat a cut, or give us a smaller percentage of the sale. I'm sure we can work with vendors to to a combination of Voat gets less money but also users get a discounted price.
Is that how massdrop works? Sorry I have never heard of that before and I'm still trying to read everything and figure out their system. Could you elaborate a little?
[–] Tucker48 ago
Accidentally deleted my comment. Oy Vey.
How about a sponsored marketplace sub that was not run by any shills, but the site itself. If I am going to buy something on Amazon, I'm sure there is a way that this site could benefit with a referral link. Does this make sense? Maybe the threads in this Sponsored sub are locked, and it just focuses on the bigger web stores, like Amazon.
I think I'm explaining this right or maybe not? Anyone?
[–] alphabeta [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
That's what I was trying to suggest, guess I didn't explain it well lol. Just some way for voat to benefit from our online purchases. I'm not sure exactly how to set it up but I was hoping people would know more about that sort of thing than I do!
[–] Tucker48 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I think I did even worse trying to make it make sense.