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[–] Method 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Heh, I've been here for 3 months, mod a couple small boards ~200 users, and still can't downvote things.

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[–] aneryx 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Try to spend more time commenting rather than making submissions. IMO Voat should factor in both SCP and CCP for determining privileges, but currently only CCP really matters.

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[–] Method 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Yeah, I'm just not full of witty one-liners and sound-bytes that will net 500 upvotes. Most comments, on the whole, just sit at 0 indefinitely.

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[–] Jordach 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Everytime anyone makes a SCP based submission, they get a free point. 100 self posts later and you're there. Doesn't even have to be within a subverse that's public.

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[–] TheKobold 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'm sorry, it only took me 5 days...

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[–] frankenmine 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Totally. It should be some fraction or logarithm of the user base.

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[–] Wmb102er 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Can confirm. It only took me about a day to reach, and I'm not even that new. I'm also seeing more and more disagree-downvotes lately.

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[–] xvff3 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm not sure you can ever get rid of those. The determined ones always find a way around rules.

No idea how you got it in a day but for most users that isn't the case so moving an already high mark higher is pretty discouraging.

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[–] casper [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

To be clear, the mark would be static for any individual account, but would increase for each new one.

For example, maybe today you create a new account. You get a notice that says you need 347 ccp to downvoat. That's it, the number does not change for that account. If you made an account the next day after 100 more people joined, maybe the ccp threshold for that account becomes 349

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[–] X7715491 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Wouldn't there be a point where the userbase gets so large that it makes it incredibly difficult for newcomers to gain the requisite number of points needed?

As I understand it, the limit was implemented to prevent people from vote brigading with multiple new accounts, not make it so that your average newbie has no power. I don't know why that would make this place better. If I had to gain 10000 votes to be able to make a vote myself, I'd be discouraged from participating.

No one is really saying why they want the threshold increased. 100 isn't enough to deter people from making alts? Too easy for someone to make an alt, pretend to be legit, gain 100 points in an hour and run amok with it?

If Atko is keeping statistics and analyzing this, he should be able to figure out the optimal threshold empirically.

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[–] casper [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

My point is that the difficulty of crossing the barrier should not change no matter when you join. The more people are on the more upvoats are available to give so over time the barrier becomes trivial to circumvent, and vote brigades will come right back. It's already starting to.

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[–] X7715491 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I'd rather look at this empirically with the stats than what any one user feels is the case or thinks is going on.

Using site-wide statistics:

How long (in time) on average does it take for a new user to accumulate 100 points?

If it is the case that >75% of users can do that within 1 hour, then the current threshold is bad and should be tweaked.

Once tweaked, if it is the case that >75% of users take an entire month to accumulate enough points to cross the threshold, then it is bad and should be tweaked down.

Meanwhile, for brigading itself, there have already been several suggestions for limiting its impact, like the momentum stopping mechanism proposed here by /u/Falzar:

https://voat.co/v/voatdev/comments/6635

Relevant passage for the lazy:

Vote brigading. In order to counteract this, I suggest keeping track of a "momentum" measure on each post, that records the general trend that votes have been going toward. The more downward momentum a post has in a short period of time, the harder it should be to keep decreasing the score through downvoting, although each downvote might still be recorded.

Keep in mind that if this stuff is tracked, the admin should be to discern whether brigading is going on or not. Especially if something isn't being linked to anywhere, isn't on the front page (and thus recieving a lot of traffic), but has greater than expected momentum.

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[–] rebeldefect 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Well, just wanted to say that I've been in Voat for 4 days and I now have 49 CCP.

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[–] rbfesquire 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I got it in less than 5 days. Unless that's considered hard. I've actually slowed down posting a little now. Maybe there should be a limit per month.

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[–] casper [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This is my second account on voat. My first account happened at inception, and I didn't break 100 even after posting comments every day for a month. Three months ago on this account I got my 100 ccp in three weeks. You made your account 15 days ago and got it in a week. If we are at all representative, this trend presents as an exponential decay in the difficulty of getting 100 ccp.

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[–] fo6 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Agree, especially since the number of upvoats was increased.