[–] beece 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Although I prefer the .45 (great link up there about the police shootout, but would a 9mm have killed him that fast? Hmmm, hard to say). I find the LCP small and hard to hold. I have the older version and they have changed it a lot, so take that as you will. It's great for hiding due to it's small size if you need to do that, so there is that. It's not something that will reach out too far and be accurately shot. I favor Hornady Critical Defense rounds for it. Lucky Gunner has some decent tests. https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

[–] GateKeeper 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I do not have any experience with .380 GSW, but have seen some hooktube videos on the subject in gel.

Ammo Quest .380 ACP: Lehigh XP Xtreme Penetrator test in ballistic gel

Lehigh Defense - The best .380 carry round?

They are both testing the Xtreme Penetrator.
Later the Xtreme Defense came out that is lighter weight and doesn't over penetrate like the earlier Xtreme Penetrator.

Here is the 9mm Xtreme Penetrator VS. Xtreme Defense from the MFG.

Xtreme Penetrator VS. Xtreme Defense - Whats the difference?

The .380 Xtreme Defense is kinda expensive at $28 for a box of 20, but if they save you or your loved one they are well worth it.

They are what I carry in my LCP Custom. But as always, shot placement is what counts.

Did you get a regular LCP, LCP Custom (red aluminum trigger), or a LCP II?

I hear that the LCP II is better, haven't had a chance to shoot one.

[–] Owlchemy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I carry an LCP all the time myself and am quite happy with it. .380 is a decent caliber ... and I'm not looking to go to war, I simply want something to protect myself in a convenient form. The LCP fits that bill for me as I can carry in any pants or jacket pocket with ease. It's lightweight and dependable. And I rarely even know it's there while carrying. Plus, being a gun guy from way back, I've fired many .380 from the 60s on thru the ages and always enjoyed the cartridge. But hey, to each his own.

As for the cartridge itself ... here's a link with some good info Link. Now bear in mind, the current mindset is bigger is always better. I don't believe that nonsense, like I said, I'm not going to war, and of course they're 'better' ... so is a 30-06, but few carry that. If you want to lug around a .45 acp, good for you, many don't however, and I'm one of them. Also, bear in mind that until the last twenty years or so, the standard police and military handgun in Europe or for that matter, the majority of the world was a .32 acp. A .380 acp beats that cartridge by a mile ... so there's that.

[–] HarveyKlinger 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This article sums up my thoughts on the .380. Any gun is better than no gun at all. The article also covers ballistic performance for your LCP. A cop buddy of mine who's been a cop for 30 ish years carries a .380 whenever he's not on duty. His carry gun is a Glock 42 at appendix carry. Obviouslly, +P ammo is important. It also helps when you're dead nuts accurate like he is. Shot placement is critical with a .380, especially if you're carrying a pistol with limited rounds.

Many people believe that you need a larger caliber like a .40 or a .45 for concealed carry but this article (posted here on VOAT) kind of changed my mind on the .45. My two carry pistols are a Glock 19 and a Glock 43. My nightstand pistol is an old Ruger P89. I'm a big fan of 9mm.

But as they say, carry what you're comfortable carrying. It's better than buying a "bigger" or "better" gun that isn't comfortable carrying so you don't. But read both articles. That second article on the .45 is a real eye opener, at least it was for me.

[–] JunOS 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Great article. I hadn't read that before, but makes my next gun purchase an easy one.

[–] zaitcev 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I don't think Spectrum is going to fare any better than Taurus' previous foray into the area of the funky .380: the famous Curve. What happens is that the gun underperforms as a gun, and most customers place a priority on the function. At least they returned to a conventional magazine release in the Spectrum.

[–] registerthis [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

....by GSW I mean Gun Shot Wound

[–] zaitcev 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I don't have a personal exposure, but Grant Cunningham quotes Elifriz repoort's data thus: 62% 1-shot incapacitation, average rounds until incapacitation 1.76, remained active at the end of shooting - 16%. So, in practical application .380 far exceeds .40 S&W, which is a proven man-stopper and barrier penetration round. How is that possible? Apparently it has to do with much shorter engagement distances, where the victim whips out the gun, puts it under perp's jaw and fires - versus cops spraying .40 S&W in a general direction of a suspect. If you fire it at a minimum range and place the shot against a head or hip area, a .380 is going to work just fine.