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[–] midnightblue1335 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

This is how the West is expected to fight wars today. With one hand tied to our balls, and the other tied to a pamphlet with detailed info on RoE.

And while we bicker over the rules, our enemies are training their children for suicide bombings and school shootings.

We look really fucking stupid to them. I know this, they've told me this. They laugh at how we play by rules that they would never abide by; this defeats the purpose of RoE. The whole idea is that BOTH SIDES WILL ABIDE BY THIS SET OF RULES. If one side doesn't, the RoE and Geneva bullshit should be ignored.

[–] Grospoliner 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Rules are for the civilized. Not the barbarians.

[–] Illegal_Alligator 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

War isnt civilized. You want people to do what you say? Surround their cities, bomb them out, starve them. Its called siege and it works.

[–] lanre 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

We've forgotten that things like the Geneva convetions were supposed to be followed by both sides, but in cases where one party doesn't follow them there must be no mercy. America isn't the greatest at following the Geneva convetions in my opinion, but they're a lot gentler than they need to be.

[–] midnightblue1335 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

but in cases where one party doesn't follow them there must be no mercy.

If the USA operated like this, there would be world peace.

But no- we can't just defeat the enemy. We have to defeat them on their terms. We have to defeat them, and then fucking pick them back up and put them back together. There's a video taken by insurgents that perfectly illustrates this lunacy: the video shows an American soldier pacing around in front of a vehicle. You can hear sand-nigger-speak in hushed voices from behind the camera.

Suddenly, you hear a shot fired. The US soldier goes down, jumps back to his feet and runs for cover. The soldier who was shot was a medic. His unit identified where the shot came from, and after a brief chase and firefight, the shooter and cameraman were caught.

The shooter was shot a few times. The US Army medic who was shot then rendered aid, and likely saved the life of the savage who shot him in the chest. The medic was extremely lucky in that the bullet did not pierce his vest. But this scenario is a microcosm for how we conduct wars in general. Our enemy is willing to use horrific, underhanded tactics- ambushes, random sniping, and so forth.

But we lack that will. Our morality and empathy is our greatest weakness. Rather than let the fucking murderer bleed to death in a ditch (AKA, justice), we have to spend valuable medical resources to fix him up.

War used to be about killing the enemy, until you've killed enough of them to break the remaining enemy's will. Now it's about "optics", it's about looking like the "good guy". War is fucking dirty. Killing is dirty. We need to stop pretending that it isn't.

[–] drakesdoom2 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

The only way to win against terrorists is to level and clear. Leave nothing to secure. No Bridges, no roads, no airports, no water, no food.

[–] midnightblue1335 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

That would include civilian populations, as well. Civilians are terrorist/guerilla forces' greatest weapon. They are willing to kill, torture, or otherwise sacrifice their own civilians in the name of defeating us.

Meanwhile, if a US Marine's bullet goes through a Tali and into some "bystander", he gets tried for fucking murder.

We cannot win a war when we are playing by rules, but the enemy is not. RoEs and Geneva Convention policies apply to two sides who mutually agree to abide by such guidelines.

Tali never waited for our forces to brandish and fire our rifles before they returned fire. But we were expected to practically give them a perfect shot at killing us before we were allowed to defend ourselves.

The absurdity of all this- the people who come up with these policies have absolutely zero clue what warfare is like. How can we possibly expect them to come up with anything practical?

[–] RustyEquipment 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Kind of an direct correlation to how George Washington defeated the fucking Benedict Arnolds by not using conventional warfare. rules only work when they are needed by all groups. The moment that one doesn’t play by the rules then an unfair advantage is gained.

Yes, they laugh at us and that shit. But in the end if they poked us too hard we would fuck it up