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her and he stood right by her and watched her fail
That is a good point note that God first gave the command to Adam, and then created Eve, and that it says -- vaguely -- that Adam was with her when she did it. I have wondered if perhaps she poisoned him with the apple rahter than saying, "Here eat this."
stood right by her
I think this is overly specific interpretation of the verse that says he was with her. They were in the garden together, and would Adam have remain silent in the presence of the talking snake?
stood right by her
He did willfully eat the apple but it is often understood that the main transgression was that Eve defiled Adam by feeding him the apple, or perhaps mixing it in with his other food.
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That is a good point note that God first gave the command to Adam, and then created Eve, and that it says -- vaguely -- that Adam was with her when she did it. I have wondered if perhaps she poisoned him with the apple rahter than saying, "Here eat this."
I don't think she poisoned him. I don't even know if it was an apple. I don't think the fruit was literally poisonous, it may have even been metaphorical. It says the fruit of the treet was good for food. I take the literal path, but the message is still supposed to be allegorical even if the situation is literal.
I think this is overly specific interpretation of the verse that says he was with her. They were in the garden together, and would Adam have remain silent in the presence of the talking snake?
It could have been a vague reference to her being with him in the same area, or with him in the general sense, or with him afterwards, but the wording: "She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it," suggests that he was actually with her. I don't think the talking "snake" thing was weird, because communicating with animals was apparently normal in the Garden of Eden. I'm also not sure if the 'serpent' would have looked like a modern snake, because it was cursed afterward. I tend to think it was what we'd call a 'dragon'. It suggests that it had legs, etc, which were then removed as a part of the curse. Of course, none of these conclusions are necessary 100%. But I wonder if this is where Satan gets his affinity with 'dragons' from - because he can still appear to be one when he uses his light manipulation techniques and he is also referred to as a great red dragon. Also, dragons are obsessed with jewels (according to folklore) and Satan's appearance included at least 10 different gemstones. They say that when he looked at jewels he saw his own face.
He did willfully eat the apple but it is often understood that the main transgression was that Eve defiled Adam by feeding him the apple, or perhaps mixing it in with his other food.
I don't know if that's accurate because the Bible says sin entered creation "by a man." Eve's situation obviously wasn't a good one - and she was punished for not listening, but it was only Adam who was not deceived. Therefore he had to wilfully choose to eat. I think it's more often understood that Adam's sin was the more serious one having implications for creation. I don't think he had it mixed into his food. There's really no evidence for that and it would mean he was basically innocent - he would then have been deceived just like, if not moreso than Eve.
Sadly I think the truth is that Adam watched as Eve was fooled, he allowed her to 'test the waters' so to speak, he threw his one and only helper under the bus (thus doing it to himself, as they were one flesh), he probably had flashes of being like the Most High, he probably had flashes of reigning one day from Heaven, just like Satan. He probably felt like he could just blame Eve if it all went wrong. He preyed upon her in that moment and he colluded with his known enemy. His sin paved the way for murderers, rapists, paedophiles and all manner of evil - all of it preys upon the innocent. He knew he was acting in such a way that he couldn't even look God in the eye afterward.
At this point, what he did meant that every single other human being was cursed after him...and that God himself would have to suffer in his place. He knew the consequences would be this grave because he was highly intelligent, an accomplished botanist, biologist and scientist. He experimented with sin and he did it because he thought it would be good. Great evil flashed upon his heart - revealing humanity's propensity for darkness and proving that God needed a plan to redeem us.
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[–] 7even6ix2wo ago
That is a good point note that God first gave the command to Adam, and then created Eve, and that it says -- vaguely -- that Adam was with her when she did it. I have wondered if perhaps she poisoned him with the apple rahter than saying, "Here eat this."
I think this is overly specific interpretation of the verse that says he was with her. They were in the garden together, and would Adam have remain silent in the presence of the talking snake?
He did willfully eat the apple but it is often understood that the main transgression was that Eve defiled Adam by feeding him the apple, or perhaps mixing it in with his other food.
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The real question is were did the elves go on the boat at the end of the lord of the rings?
[–] harbinbeer ago (edited ago)
I don't think she poisoned him. I don't even know if it was an apple. I don't think the fruit was literally poisonous, it may have even been metaphorical. It says the fruit of the treet was good for food. I take the literal path, but the message is still supposed to be allegorical even if the situation is literal.
It could have been a vague reference to her being with him in the same area, or with him in the general sense, or with him afterwards, but the wording: "She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it," suggests that he was actually with her. I don't think the talking "snake" thing was weird, because communicating with animals was apparently normal in the Garden of Eden. I'm also not sure if the 'serpent' would have looked like a modern snake, because it was cursed afterward. I tend to think it was what we'd call a 'dragon'. It suggests that it had legs, etc, which were then removed as a part of the curse. Of course, none of these conclusions are necessary 100%. But I wonder if this is where Satan gets his affinity with 'dragons' from - because he can still appear to be one when he uses his light manipulation techniques and he is also referred to as a great red dragon. Also, dragons are obsessed with jewels (according to folklore) and Satan's appearance included at least 10 different gemstones. They say that when he looked at jewels he saw his own face.
I don't know if that's accurate because the Bible says sin entered creation "by a man." Eve's situation obviously wasn't a good one - and she was punished for not listening, but it was only Adam who was not deceived. Therefore he had to wilfully choose to eat. I think it's more often understood that Adam's sin was the more serious one having implications for creation. I don't think he had it mixed into his food. There's really no evidence for that and it would mean he was basically innocent - he would then have been deceived just like, if not moreso than Eve.
Sadly I think the truth is that Adam watched as Eve was fooled, he allowed her to 'test the waters' so to speak, he threw his one and only helper under the bus (thus doing it to himself, as they were one flesh), he probably had flashes of being like the Most High, he probably had flashes of reigning one day from Heaven, just like Satan. He probably felt like he could just blame Eve if it all went wrong. He preyed upon her in that moment and he colluded with his known enemy. His sin paved the way for murderers, rapists, paedophiles and all manner of evil - all of it preys upon the innocent. He knew he was acting in such a way that he couldn't even look God in the eye afterward.
At this point, what he did meant that every single other human being was cursed after him...and that God himself would have to suffer in his place. He knew the consequences would be this grave because he was highly intelligent, an accomplished botanist, biologist and scientist. He experimented with sin and he did it because he thought it would be good. Great evil flashed upon his heart - revealing humanity's propensity for darkness and proving that God needed a plan to redeem us.
[–] 7even6ix2wo ago (edited ago)
Yeah. That is what it says. Also says: "The man said, 'The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.'”
What did God mean by this: