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[–] ggolemg [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

100% agree.

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[–] DanielKurlan 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Would never had the chance to compete against the likes of Valve without a billion dollar acquisition.

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[–] gromenawer 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Even if Oculus turn out to be a better product I will pay double for the Valve VR; because fuck Facebook and fuck Palmer.

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[–] SuiXi3D 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Well, one has only dev kits that are half-finished and the other has a finished product. It's not hard to see which one people will support.

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[–] ggolemg [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

For me, and apparently gromenawer, it's about the oculus being owned by facebook as I consider that to be such a negative that it precludes me from ever owning one.

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[–] mintbanana 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

But with the Oculus you can live out the "...its full of Ads" scene in Futurama.

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[–] squiremarcus 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

ya your product cant gain traction if everyone hates you. you can hold onto customers if you allready have them but you cant make people subscribe to your shit if they allready know your motives

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[–] Ophidias_88 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

While I do like steam, valve does treat its customers pretty terrible.

The current versions are large blocks, like surveillance cameras almost, though Valve assures me the final versions will be much smaller and work on infrared.

This part slightly worries me. Will it be similar to the Kinects system and thus open to abuse? The thoughts of xbox one come to mind.

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[–] old_timer_from_alpha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Facebook has no customer support to speak of and treats its users like trash.

Valve has no customer support to speak of and treats its users like trash.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. I think I'll still wait to invest in new technology when it's offered by a company that can support new technology; preferably one that has some kind of management structure other than "flat" and that doesn't abuse its users. But that's just my aversion to migraines talking.

Valve offering hardware is going to be a disaster. I don't think they even know what they're getting into. It's an entirely different market that can't be half-assed with a convenient online store and lots of sales. The Oculus still has a better chance of success because nobody will feel betrayed when they find out that Facebook doesn't care if they eat shit and die; we already know that. When people realize how little Valve values them as customers, it's going to be like watching the entire Internet go through a hard breakup all at the same time.

When the day comes, you can all cry on my shoulder. I'll laugh at you, but I'll still let you cry on my shoulder and give you a, "There, there."

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[–] GenghisSean 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

While I disagree that Valve treats it's users as poorly as Facebook I think you have an argument there. However, Valve's hardware (well HTC's but whatever) actually looks pretty good. The ability to track a users location in the room with such precision looks really promising for the future of VR.

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[–] old_timer_from_alpha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The point about the hardware advancement is spot-on. That's why I don't think this will ultimately hurt Valve. If they get back their development costs, then they'll be golden so long as there isn't too much banter about poor support, inhospitable communities, etc. Whether this flies or fails, they will still have new tech completed, tested, trialed by fire, and ready to be improved upon. So if I'm right and they aren't the ones to bring VR to the broader market and get it to stick, they still have already taken us closer to that goal.

Criticism where it's due, respect where it's due. If their hardware is as effective as their online store, then it means good things for the future of gaming. They wouldn't have a partnership here if they didn't have some stake in this.

If HTC handles support, then all my town crying is moot and this could be that big step we've been waiting for.

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[–] tehlolman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

michael abrash got rekt