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[–] Thrus2 ago 

paradox makes some good games that are classed as 4x games. the thing is that I only tend to stay with them for a bit. I tend to find a strategy that works and it becomes hard not to play that instead of investing so many hours into trying others out or as a feature of 4x games they run long and have downtime in them so are not as much fun for a group of friends playing together in the same room as we get distracted talking miss when the break ends and die (essentially because the game was more boring then just talking to each other).