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[–] Terkala 0 points 81 points (+81|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Here is my breakdown of events. I do start to get biased around #6, because it's difficult to be neutral where one party is so clearly in the wrong.

  1. Depression quest was released. It was a minimalist text adventure from a new developer.

  2. This game received quite a lot of review coverage, so much so that many comment threads on the initial reviews wondered why this game ever got reviewer coverage at all.

  3. The creator's ex-boyfriend made a blog post saying that the game only got attention because the developer slept with several reviewers.

  4. Censorship of these claims on major review sites lead to even more discussion of it.

  5. The game developer gets some hate mail, makes public posts about it. Then raises money.

  6. Insert big cluster-f___ of fingerpointing and he-said-she-said here. Developer does literally everything in her power to make the controversy bigger.

  7. The original developer now makes a professional career out of being a victim. No, really, she makes $4000 a month from her patreon campaign, and goes on tv shows to stir up events.

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[–] Goat_Arrival 0 points 23 points (+23|-0) ago  (edited ago)

  1. That's inaccurate. Eron made a post detailing how his ex had cheated on him and abused him, including endangering his health (having multiple other partners while lying to him, saying they were exclusive and claiming to have been tested for STDs). In this post he hinted at the identities of some of the other partners, which lead to the realisation that she'd been fucking journos. None of the journos ever reviewed her game, but Nathan Grayson gave her positive coverage on a couple of sites.

Also, this is really only a history of Five Guys, which ended when GamerGate started. The history of GamerGate is much simpler:

  1. We call out unethical behaviour by journalists.

  2. They call us misogynists.

  3. ITS THE CIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIFE

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[–] Terkala 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago  (edited ago)

None of the journos ever reviewed her game, but Nathan Grayson gave her positive coverage on a couple of sites.

Extremely misleading.

  1. Robin Arnott featured Depression Quest in his "Night Games festival", an open air arcade event.

  2. Nathan Grayson did feature depression quest on rockpapershotgun, first as a preview. Twice as the top-example of a grab bag of 50 other games he was doing. Keep in mind, RockPaperShotgun rarely does reviews, they just feature and give first looks. They also don't do scoring. So, it's "technically correct" that RPS never did a review, but it's also entirely missing the point.

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[–] Lifelonghabit 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

This is probably the best summary of the whole affair that I've ever read. And thanks for point 7. I hadn't heard that before.

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[–] R0ot 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Easily the best TLDR; of months(?) of this. I was so sick of the constant barrage about this over and over. TB's talk about it hit the nail on the head for me also.

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[–] Clbull 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Also, people on both sides of the Gamergate coin have been victims of harassment.

A pro-GG person I know of got doxxed and swatted a few months back.

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[–] Palaxar 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Plus the bomb threat that was made to the GGinDC meetup. I don't really know, nor do I care if it was "anti-GamerGate". We can't prove if it was. That doesn't erase the fact that GG were the ones who received the threat. It would be hypocritical if I stated "You can't prove that GamerGate sent the bomb threats to Anita Sarkeesian's speech" while simultaneously saying "YOU GUYS SENT US A BOMB THREAT!"("You" as in the people who oppose GamerGate).

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[–] DocDex 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Thanks

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[–] Frank_Castle 0 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago  (edited ago)

From another post I saw on this:


I'll skip the story and focus on the conflict points.

#GamerGate has evolved to voice outrage on several things:

  • Corruption in gaming journalism and competitions, and the resulting demand for disclosure and ethics reform.
  • * A game developer sleeping with a journalist who then gave her game very favorable reviews (when the gaming community thought the game was not very good). She also got a gaming fundraiser shut down just before starting her own gaming fundraiser.
    • A PR agent sleeping with the head judge of a game festival and her clients' games winning.
  • Outrage spreads to Twitter, among other online forums.

    • The two women above, as well as others related to the industry jump into the heated discussion online. A few receive death threats. All sides condemn harassment and threats.
  • Gaming journalists publish articles declaring "gamers are dead" and paint them as cis white male misogynists who hate women in their previously-male-dominated industry. The allegations of corruption are not addressed.

  • Gamers outraged at the "anti-gamer" sites who ran the articles stereotyping and shaming their own fan base.

  • * Gamers note that 10+ sites all ran similar talking-points on the same day, and suspect an industry-wide issue. They dig deeper into the web of industry relationships and uncover more conflicts of interest, but also a suspicion that radical, anti-male feminists (often referred to pejoratively as "social justice warriors" or SJWs) are driving the narrative in the press.
    • Gamers are upset that SJWs are deflecting the issue of corruption and turning it into one of misogyny and harassment of females in the industry. Articles that emerge in the BBC and Guardian do not mention the original issue of corruption, but focus on the death threats.
  • The female author of the Guardian article is shown to be financially supportive of the women she defends in her article. She is called out on it publicly.

  • * Gamers are convinced this is proof of the corruption.
    • SJWs are convinced this is proof of the misogyny.
  • In response to SJWs accusing the #GamerGate movement as being driven by mostly cis white males, minority gamers who support the movement tweet with #NotYourShield to tell the SJWs they don't need anyone speaking for them.

There is a lot more to be said, but this should serve as a primer.

I will note that on the Internet, almost anything can be faked. Some gamers doubt the legitimacy of the death threats, and some SJWs doubt the existence of the #NotYourShield gamers, as anyone can post a message online, screencap it, and share it with their side as "evidence." Also note there is a 3rd party - trolls - who will fan the flames just because they can.

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[–] Shoggoth 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Slight correction: the accusation is not that the journalist gave the game developer positive reviews, it's that they gave her game positive coverage. This is a common mistake people make when they relay the story, and relaying it incorrectly allows the opposition to shoot it down by pointing out that he never reviewed her game and claim we're full of shit. His site did, however, give it positive coverage that, gamergaters contend, such a "game" would never have otherwise received.

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[–] richard_m_lurkmoar 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

here's a summary in ~90 seconds

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipcWm4B3EU4

if you want to read for a bit, then go here

http://www.historyofgamergate.com/

if you look into some message boards, people have made some creepy connections to common core and a company called digra

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[–] GrifTheYellowGuy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

'S a bit old, but it does accurately represent the big points that happened up to about October.

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[–] Lullabyt 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

People will forever let their emotions bar reality from guiding their opinion on this whole debacle. They'll also need to downplay what happened while at the same time lambasting anyone with a different opinion. The entire gamergate thing didn't need to elevate the way it did, but the second you start screaming "SEXISM! MISOGYNY! RAPE!" the discussion can go nowhere but down.

Basically, OP, the girl fucked up and white knights across the internet excused her terrible behavior. People lost more trust in an already fairly scummy gaming journalism field, and they tried to attribute it to some deep seeded, fake misogynistic culture in gaming (which doesn't exist but it has to in order for them to have a foot to stand on).

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[–] Shoggoth 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

What is going on with reddit and Pao right now is very similar to what went on with gamergate. People had legitimate issues with something, but it somehow involved criticizing a woman so people quickly shouted "MISOGYNY", and the media latched on to that. I have a hard time understanding how any of the reddit refuges can even still question gamergate at this point (except of course instances such as OP's, where they don't really know much about it at all).

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[–] BeautifulInside 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Most big gaming publications (Kotaku, Polygon, RPS, PC Gamer, Giantbomb etc.) are shit and have been shit for years. To call their behavior "unethical" is a laughable understatement. What happened is tempers grew hot for a stupid and today irrelevant reason, gamers said "haha, we caught you red handed now" as a clear case of unethical behavior was taking place. As a response, journalists said gamers are misogynists. Gamers got upset about that. A lot.

Because someone was calling someone else a misogynist on the internet, some people decided to immediately take the side of the accusers and uncritically swallow everything they said. That got us to the unprecedented event of a 4chan topic ban among generalized iron-curtaining. That upset gamers even more.

As a result, the conflict widened to include all the people throwing around words like "misogynist" like confetti at a carnival, and the people not okay with that. While secondary to the issue of gaming journalism shittyness, it is true many publications also started in recent years to feature idiotic articles discussing the appropriate size of boobs and letting that influence their review scores. The controversy itself seems to have revealed that this ideology permeates the whole gaming journalism scene pretty uniformly. That upset gamers as well.

That should explain the short of it.

Personally, I don't see the movement going. Ultimately it's about destroying the current generation of gaming publications so that hopefully a less shitty one can step up and as a cautionary tale for everyone trying to do gaming journalism. There's no debate to be had between the two parties on the actual issues honestly. That'd be like trying to persuade a serial killer to stop killing instead of sending him to prison.

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[–] Terkala 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Which is in itself, horribly biased. It fails to mention that the game in question was a barebones text-adventure that somehow managed to get listed on steam. And that this barebones text adventure somehow managed to get featured on the largest gaming blog in the world, with glowing reviews.

None of the controversy would have happened if it was even a mediocre game that could have possibly had some reasoning behind why these reviewers covered it. Many people believed the inital blog post simply because they were astonished that this game ever got attention at all, and were wondering why it got attention when it was so clearly sub-par quality.

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[–] Jeronimouss 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

This is probably the most reliant source out there, giving that, like a wiki, it provides citations and proof of all events.

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[–] GrifTheYellowGuy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You've gotten plenty about how it started an what it is, but let me just be clear that it is positive coverage that was given to Depression Quest, nobody reviewed it.

As to why you couldn't talk about it, Reddit has been infested with SJW mods. I'm on my phone or else I would link you to one of the myriad archives proving that. And Moot wanted to sell 4chan (not that anybody would ever buy it), so he's been taking steps to try to clean it up (which have all either failed or caused mass exoduses to 8chan).

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