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[–] rndmvar 3 points 26 points (+29|-3) ago 

Console games are an example of hardware communism. Everyone gets dragged down to the same quality level. On PC, your choice of hardware, that you pay for, dictates the graphics quality that you can play with.

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[–] aria_taint 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Don't forget MODS. PC games can be modded and the one mod in GTA4 (I forget the one) reskined the entire game and and took the graphics to an entire new level. Everything from lights,water,weather,streets to little things like shadows were all redone.

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[–] selpai 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I have spent more time modding Bethesda games, than actually playing Bethesda games. I feel that i can make that statement truthfully.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

And like communism, any system they can't directly compete with they attempt to nobble. Bad ports, much much delayed title releases.

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[–] piratse 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Then you play an online shooting game and everyone turns the graphics all the way down so you can't hide in the grass.

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[–] rndmvar 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Don't play games where the developers code that in then. That's completely a software problem, not hardware.

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[–] Mylon 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

So many games just don't know how to handle grass... It needs to MOVE when people walk around in it. It also should be noisy.

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[–] killercanuck 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

Although it can make some competitive play more interesting. Two identical consoles with the same control schemes doesn't give either player a huge advantage like a $500 gaming PC vs a $2000 machine has.

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[–] TremorAcePV 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

You can still get a better monitor.

A good display matters quite a lot for games, console or PC. Crappy $100-$200 TV VS a much better similarly priced monitor essentially.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

You can connect mouse and keyboard to your console through third party devices.

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[–] FlamingoBumblebee 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Exactly. That's why I don't like the idea of Xim4 letting console players use "baby-aim" in multiplayer shooters.

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[–] alphasnail 5 points 16 points (+21|-5) ago  (edited ago)

Gamers don't value aesthetics of games. Gamers care about the quality of the game in terms of how fun it is to play and how cheap it is. Consoles are successful because they offer a relatively cheaper gaming experience with graphics that are still respectable.

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[–] speedisavirus 3 points 5 points (+8|-3) ago 

You aren't wrong. It's why I don't have a gaming PC at the moment. I used to keep pretty close to current on hardware but consoles became "good enough" that I'd rather spend $350-$450 on a console that I can use reliably for 5-10 years.

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[–] ninjajunkie 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I did the same. My PC died and needs replaced. I'll get a decent rig eventually but I have other priorities at the moment . Instead I've spent less than 400 on a 3ds, a SNES Classic and a few games. Already had a PS3 I got for 80$ to use for Blu-rays.

I don't feel I've relinquished my place in the PC Master race through any if this. Shouldn't any proud member have a few peasants around for basic tasks, after all?

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[–] alphasnail 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

That's my thinking on it too. I have a some good computers, but I'm not going to continually upgrade it because that's too expensive to me. If someone wants to do that then that's great, but anyone I know who games anymore uses a console. Bottom line always comes down to money.

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[–] Zodiac_Killer 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I'm one of the minority PC gamers that doesn't give two shits about graphics. I have an upper tier graphics card, but I'm always turning my graphics down to lowest settings to squeeze out more fps. For me, it's all about gameplay and averaging anything less than ~140fps is unacceptable. There's no such thing as too many fps and it's almost always my priority. Consoles aren't even an option because leaving those choices up to developers/marketers will leave me disappointed 100% of the time. I have a 144hz monitor, but I can even feel a difference in response at 200fps+. It's not even necessarily that it has to be that high, but that it leaves headroom for fps drops and keeps the experience buttery smooth all the time.

PC has also always been a more social environment in my experience. With apps like Discord, games have their own social networks. When I used to play on my Xbox360, I could play and talk with friends, but there was never the depth that I have with Steam and Discord, having channels for sharing memes and other types of content. You also get the added benefit of having a powerful machine for content creation. I think anyone that uses demanding content creation software should consider getting a powerful gaming PC to kill two birds with one stone.

And when you buy a game, it doesn't get tied to a piece of hardware that ends up in your closet 5 years from now with devs trying to seduce you into buying the latest "remastered" version. You can amass a huge library that stays with you throughout the hardware cycles. And even old games are given new life with mods. You can replay games made 10 years ago with modern graphics. Back when I played on consoles I probably spent thousands on games and it was always a pain in the ass to play them after the newer console came around. Your money ends up going farther because games are typically much less expensive and they're always right there, ready to be played.

IMO, the only thing consoles have over PC's are exclusives. I think PC's are more cost effective in the long run, provide better performance and in turn, better gameplay.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm a PC gamer and I don't even have a real graphics card. Just some integrated bullshit, but who cares, CPU takes care of my emulators.

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[–] RollinDaGrassTyson 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You're not alone. I paid over $500 for a Polaris GPU (because crypto inflation) only to later realize my low-power APU development system can achieve ~80% of the graphics quality at ~20% the cost. That, plus all the noise and space taken up I'm really not keen on getting any discrete GPUs from here on out.

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[–] alphasnail 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Those are excellent points for why people should just get a computer. Long term savings would be the most cost effective for the most serious gamers. I like the play games, but I can rarely devote the hours needed to play these massive games these days. As a result, there isn't much cost-effectiveness for me since I'd never be able to take advantage of the full potential of a top tier gaming computer. I think the same goes for a lot of other people as well so we just stick with cheap consoles.

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[–] Naught405 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Yes I do. It's why I have a $4000 rig that I keep up to date with the latest hardware. I really like games that cater to that and I really dislike games that overlook it. It has informed many of my purchasing decisions regarding games. I wish more people cared more so the market would respond appropriately. We have lost ground every year (since about 2004) over where we could be because of low consumer knowledge and interest. Its why the 1080p LCD panel scam lasted for 11 years. I knew it was bullshit, people like me knew it was bullshit, we all fucking hated it, but millions of you fucking retards bought 60 inch tvs with DPI at fucking 36! Are your eye-holes plugged with trash people???!!!!

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[–] AndrewBlazeIt 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

$4000

Kek.

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[–] alphasnail 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I think what I said is a pretty good representation of why people play games and what they expect out of a game. Not saying that high quality graphics are a bad thing, but lower quality graphics don't ruin how fun a game can be for most people.

Also, the price of a high-end gaming computer can be several thousands of dollars for those among us who aren't tech savvy enough to build their own. Also, upgrades require additional overhead and expertise that the average computer user doesn't have.

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[–] aaronC 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

I'm probably going to get some shit for this, but I remember when a jump in console generation meant more than sharper textures and more grass.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Ever since about 2004 I've wondered why we got next generation consoles without graphics that feel next generation. Two years ago I had the opportunity to play a PS4 game. Couldn't really tell the difference to PS2.

I remember the times a new generations of consoles meant a whole new genre of games, that just weren't possible before. And the next thing that will feel like that is VR, but somehow VR doesn't get its shit together. Don't know why.

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[–] redditisbrainslug 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Why would people give you shit for telling the truth? I thought this was voat, not reddit!

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[–] Obeastiality 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I switched to PC gaming and it's not so much the console graphics but the load times and framerate that piss me off. Also the PC gaming community is really obtuse and hostile when it comes to how much a good machine costs with proper accessories, and the space needed to house it. (sure they'll build you a can for $300, but then conveniently gloss over the couple hundred extra if you don't have a good chair, desk, keyboard, or mouse)

That said after spending a boatload on a great PC and the fittings, I have no plans to go back to consoles past this generation.

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[–] Zodiac_Killer 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It's not really fair to include all those things in the price though. It would be like including the cost of your sofa with a console. I do agree that the cost of peripherals like a keyboard and mouse should be included though.

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[–] Chiefpacman 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

$80 vs $350 vs $1000

Looks about right.

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[–] FandyRandy 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Is $1k low for the last shot?

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[–] SyriansAreTerrorists 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Not really. You can build a PC for 1k that can play almost any game on ultra/high graphics. Unless you stream/record, there's not much of a reason to pay over 1,300

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[–] Chiefpacman 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

A low estimate? Meh, average but I’m not an expert.

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[–] TheIrieOne 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Game?

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[–] Valcgo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

GTA5

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[–] Smartech 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

There is no need to upgrade after PS3. Everything later is just useless bullshit to waste money.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You misspelled 2 there.

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[–] King_Freya 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That’s what I don’t get about the gaming industry. Why can’t they make games for PC, then slowly strip graphical features till the game runs on console? That way it’s built for PC first with all the bells and whistles.

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