[–] Astupidname69 4 points 52 points (+56|-4) ago 

Listen I fucking despise loot boxes, and hate the developers who put them in their games, and the people who buy them, but you know what we don't need? More fucking regulations.

[–] Bmn003 3 points 16 points (+19|-3) ago 

Right? It's a fucking video game. No one is going to die if it goes unregulated. It is not a threat to national security. It is not a foreign entity competing with domestic businesses in a way they can't hope to match or otherwise counteract. The government has no business whatsoever legislating it.

[–] pretty_innocuous 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago  (edited ago)

The government already has regulations against many types of predatory business practices, of which this is most certainly one.

Keep in mind that probably ~80ish percent of people are dumber than you (kids included) and those people DO need this regulation.

[–] Cacciaguida 1 points 15 points (+16|-1) ago 

What about that guy who lost thousands? He started at 13.

I just want these shitty casino stonewalling games off the market. And other shitty justifications for withholding content. I really don't see what the matter with enforcing current regulation to rate games Adult when they push for star cards/loot boxs/ as using real life money for gambling is a bigger deal than ingame currency

[–] jizzswizzler 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

i think it just needs to be removed. i know you guys dont like regulation BUT...

another issue we have a problem with down under is pokie machines. they are designed to be hypnotic and suck you in to spending more money, and they do build them in a manner that they will set off certain responses in the right kinds of people setting off dopamine and shit - the same shit that goes on when you blow a load, have a hit of heroin, or win something

I dont think the only selling to over 21 is the answer, i think they need to pull the gambling type content from these games or label them as a gambling product only to be used in casinos or gaming venues. no, i dont for a second believe that video game violence increases the likelihood of real violence, but i fucking know you can get people hooked on gambling real fucking easy, and a kid that thinks nothing of borrowing a credit card for a couple of loot crate purchases now, if left to it, is just as likely to put his mortgage down the slots later.

[–] cosmic_climb 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Maybe this will incentivize developers to not sell a product at $60 and then put a padlock and a price on every single feature. The lootbox system meets every criterion for gambling, according to attorney Ryan Morrison, who is litigating a lot of these lawsuits involving children stealing their parents CC and blowing $20k.

[–] jizzswizzler 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

fuck paying for that anyway. wait until you can get it second hand with all the DLC and the greedy devs get sweet fuck all. THAT is when buying games sometimes becomes good value.

[–] Schreiber 1 points 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

^this.

The devs do that BECAUSE dumb fucks are buying them. Can we start blaming the dumb fucks who are supporting this practice please?

[–] natehigger44 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

I have some crystal meth to sell. Can I speak to your son please? I'm sure he'd love to try some.

[–] Totenglocke 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It doesn't have to be "more regulation". We already have laws regarding gambling and minors, just apply them to gambling through video games. If they do that, no retail store will carry these games and the greedy developers will fuck off or go bankrupt.

[–] totes_magotes 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

So it's gonna be classified as gambling. There are already laws in place for this shit.

[–] piratse 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

They may do like some countries and put it under gambling laws. I think it was China that forces companoes to reveal drop rates and shit.

[–] shimmyquarterturn 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Revealing the drop rates is the answer here. It adds transparency, which shows that they aren't fucking you. It removes cash grabbing PTW models based around manipulating drop rates.

[–] Cheap_Knockoff 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

https://archive.fo/80scx - China passes new law forcing games to reveal drop rates

[–] 1moar 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Great, more gubmint.

[–] Samsquamch 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

This was my fear - The gaming companies would make enough foolish decisions until things became political. There's no backing out now, however I wish they'd let the market correct itself - EA has already lost millions in stock, and if it doesn't recover this fiscal quarter, they're going to start having some serious problems. Star Wars Battlefront 2 was supposed to be the big release this quarter, but instead flopped due to already obvious reasons.

A few more failures like this and it would be foolish for any gaming company to continue the "loot box" tradition.

[–] tarnished_spoons 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

EA has lost very little in the grand scheme of things. They've done the math; they make more money with lootboxes than they lose in sales to people who don't want to play a game with lootboxes.

[–] Totenglocke 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

EA's stock isn't even down 10%. Odds are, it'll be right back to where it was before the Battlefront 2 fiasco by the end of the month.

[–] therealkrispy 1 points 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

That's why the answer is open source games with no fuckin rules. The best and most used OS in the world is open source. What we need is the Linux equivalent of a gaming engine, something that 'just works.'

[–] theoldones 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

im not gonna defend battlefront 2, but i think people should have the right to gamble away their entire life savings should they choose to do so

im not saying its a smart idea, quite the opposite, but they should have the right

[–] BlackSheepBrouhaha 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

Don't want kids gambling away their parents' life savings.

1) Don't buy the game.

2) Don't give anyone your credit card unless you accept any purchase they make.

3) Lock in-app purchases on your devices.

4) Exercise vigilance on credit card statements.

5) Talk to your children about the value of money. Let them earn their own money through chores and pay their allowance in a prepaid refillable gift card. Attach their device to their prepaid card, not your credit card.

6) Spend time with your children while they do things they enjoy to bond with them and understand their hobbies. Mentor them in their hobby to earn their respect.

7) Give up taking responsibility for yourself and your family. Let the government take care of it for you, in exchange for a small bit of freedom. Rinse and repeat as people grow more irresponsible. Now we need to legislate vidya games.

[–] theoldones 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

yeah, if your spending someones else money without them saying yes, then it clearly becomes another issue whatever the moneys going to

[–] Totenglocke 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Expecting parents to actually parent and take responsibility when they fuck up? I like this dream world of yours!

[–] nuworldblue 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Day's 2 many steps. Ain't nobody got time for dat.

[–] pauly_pants 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

They still would. They'd just have to be of legal age to gamble (unless gambling age is 18, I don't actually know).

[–] theoldones 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

i can agree with that. add a box you have to click saying your 18 then, if you have to

[–] Thrus2 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

To be fair this guy from Hawaii is suggesting to allow them gamble at age 21 in games, Hawaii I believe has no age of consent for gambling they just say no gambling.

[–] shimmyquarterturn 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Along with the right to gamble their money away, they should have the right to know the odds of the game they're playing. Sounds a lot like something already on the books..

[–] Thrus2 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Chris Lee agrees they should be able to gamble, at age 21. Hawaii says no gambling so if this qualified it should be banned not age restricted.

[–] JewsLose 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

They’re gonna try to get more DLC$ out of everyone than Destiny did.

You’ll see games with Train Simulator levels of DLC.

[–] therealkrispy 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Talk all the shit you want about Destiny, just remember this: it's not Bungie that did this to their game, it's Activision. It's not Dice that ruined Battlefront 2, it's EA. The publishers (which have zero discernable value when you really think about it) are the ones ruining the industry. The solution? New, independent studios destroy the old ones.

[–] HeavyBrain 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

On the one hand I hate more regulations, on the other kids are the target audiance of this shit and anyone over 21 still falling into the cashgrab jw trap deserves it.

[–] rauelius 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

The ESRB, founded by the ESA, who EA is a partner in is to blame if government starts intervening in gaming.

My suggestion is for the ESRB to set all games with micro-transactions that rely on additional finances to improve gameplay performance to a rating of AO, with 70% of all profit made Micro-Transactions to be donated to institutions that help with Gambling Addiction.

Self-Regulation within the industry is the best course of action, if EA and other ESA members don't take action on this issue, they are almost fully to blame for government intervention.

[–] therealkrispy 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Or, you can not create a ridiculous shakedown apparatus that lines the pockets of whoever passes for a 'gambling addiction specialist' this week. When a donation becomes mandatory, it can be assumed that the charity will end up corrupt.

[–] Chimaira92 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Instead of not buying and supporting the game you people want government regulations? Fucking dumbasses deserve to have gambling addictions. If it's your kids, do a better job at parrenting them then, imbeciles.

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