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[–] Datfracture 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Rule 6 is covered in the site FAQ and even janitors are now asked to remove blatant ads. Off topic is a given on any sub and doesn't need a rule. Anyone posting a movie to gaming knows its off topic.

Rule 5 could be enforced without it being there as well

I like how you've been handling rule 3 so I think it should stay. Too many memes is a turn off.

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[–] something_went_wrong 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Drive by thoughts. Disclaimer: I'm a lurker in this sub, not a usual contributer so take my opinion as you like.

I think a lot depends on how often /v/gaming gets posted to and also if more relevant/alternative and active subs exist for the game-related content any user is trying to post about.

3: Memes actually can convey a poster's thoughts in a single image, gif, or video. For example a gif that shows the absurd difficulty of some certain popular or well-known game where the player constantly dies (eg videos about impossible super mario brothers custom levels or Dark Souls 3 gameplay). A post definitely should not serve as an advert (IE spam), but still it might be better to allow creative and expressive content even if in the form of simple memes.

5: needs constant mod attention to determine if that subject matter is in fact illegal where Voat is hosted. Nothing more needs to be said here except that mods should not jump the gun and delete a post linking to a download, crack, mod or what have you without evidence of illegality.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I appreciate the feedback! I'm not a fan of #3 (memes) myself, mainly because "meme" is so difficult to define and often falls into a gray area. Reacher did a pretty good job of pinning down a workable definition, but I'd often find myself erring on the side of caution and being more lenient when in doubt.

Thinking sub-wide, I think we can agree that no one wants /v/gaming to end up being a meme-fest like other online gaming communities, but we'll all probably disagree on how far we should allow the slider to move before we reach that point. I'm eager for anyone willing to help pin down the definition farther so that this rule is more predictable and easier to call, or just seeing how we fly without it if enough people want it gone.

About #5 (illegal content) I can't remember the last time we needed to enforce this. We're not the copyright police and don't want to be. It's mainly about making sure Voat as an entity is safe from copyright claims, and that's not too difficult to do. I actually wouldn't mind dropping this one if the community decides to, especially since Voat's site-wide rules prohibit unlawful content already.

Some awesome and very well thought out feedback. Thank you for getting the discussion started!

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[–] ScrewdriverOo 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

If you keep rule 5 and you would like some clarification if something is compliant, you could ask me. I'm a cheap ass so I'm usually on top of free stuff. Console emulators are actually legal as long as they don't contain any code from the source console. Atari VCS emulator would be an example of something completely legal. EPSXE is perfectly legal as well, the BIOS needed to run it is not. Bleem is legal even though it's an emulator running PS1 games on a Dreamcast. The Bleem Company went to trial against Sony and won, thus making it 100% legal.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S, M] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

here is the archive I pulled from

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[–] Bouchart 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

  1. Obvious
  2. We'd all like for titles to be clear and to the point, but I wouldn't be overly pedantic about it and allow some leeway.
  3. Nobody wants to see a zillion The Cake Is A Lie references but I don't get this whole DAE rule.
  4. I don't see what this covers that Rule 2 does not.
  5. No argument here
  6. No argument here
  7. No argument here
  8. No argument here
  9. I'd probably leave this rule as something like "duplicate topics in a short time frame may be removed at the mod's discretion"

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's actually a really insightful point about rule 4. I can't think of a single time I've made a reminder about rule 4 that didn't also fall under rule 2. We might actually end up taking that one out for just that reason. I appreciate the feedback!

About rule 9, I'd rather leave it with an objective measure of time to avoid any subjectivity. We all measure a short time frame with a different measuring stick, so having a specific period of time means we can enforce a rule fairly and predictably.

I don't think DAE posts have been a problem since before I was on Voat, but I understand that there were a lot of low effort "does anyone else think [X]" and "am I the only one who [Y]" posts at one point. This rule is probably a carry over from that. The thing is, even if a discussion post is low effort, you'll often find meaningful discussion in the comments as people agree and disagree. I wouldn't mind dropping the DAE portion of rule 3.

Great feedback all around; I'm glad you decided to weigh in!

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[–] ChillyHellion [S, M] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'd like to leave this post stickied for a week at least so that everyone gets a chance to weigh in. A lot of folks have a three day weekend coming up and might not see it until next week.

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[–] Project2501 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Rule by rule:

1: Cool.

2: Honestly, this is the one I have seen the most amount of "this post has gotten traction, but this post breaks a rule".

3: Weird, personally would like to keep the dumb image macros off, but understand that things like "take an arrow to the knee" are part of the culture. And there was one gif recently of gameplay that was half memes.

4: Asking for upvotes in the title, DAE posts. Journalism is half the time clickbait, I would personally like to see this combined with Rule 3 as closer to "upvote farming" if that makes any sense. So pretty much image macros with captions, titles like "<-----UPVOTE for X", shitposting, etc.

5: If the intention is to follow site-wide rules, then have it clear as site-wide rules. It covers doxxing, CP, and spam/junk.

6: No opinion.

7: There are some spoilers in gaming that are in the public consciousness. Would be better as a suggestion, less policing speech.

8: Should stay.

9: Anywhere between 1-6 months is cool. It is clearly defined, and does ask people to search for similar.

EDIT: batter -> better.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

2: Honestly, this is the one I have seen the most amount of "this post has gotten traction, but this post breaks a rule".

You've seen this on /v/gaming, or just on forums in general? I try to never delete a rule-breaking post that gains traction; I figure if a post makes it out of /v/gaming/new and I didn't catch it, that's my fault for not being available and I shouldn't punish OP or remove ongoing discussion when a friendly reminder will reach more people than a removal would.

I appreciate the feedback, especially about rule 5. It seems like this rule is mostly doing double-duty with the site-wite rules, so we might be better off leaving it out.

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[–] Project2501 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Just on /v/gaming, as a casual observer, it seems like Rule 2 got through the cracks the most often. And it is not as if it has been deleted submissions recently, last three months, by checking the mod logs, is almost all spam/rule 1.

EDIT: As of right now, on my front page, is this post, which technically breaks rule 2, but is relatively popular with voaters.

I try to never delete a rule-breaking post that gains traction;

Appreciate the mindset, Anyway, if you do create a "suggestion" category like for spoilers, I personally would be interested to see just how often Rule 2 is needed, and if it is not in the title, how often the name of the game is explicitly referred to in the comments. In hindsight, it almost feels too close to the "?" rule from the askvoat drama.

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[–] kevdude 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Rule 3 - gaming related memes? Maybe allow memes but hold them to the same standard as other posts?

Rule 4 - come up with a more specific definition for "clickbait" . "Low effort" is subjective and open to mod discretion. Shouldn't the users decide content quality? Would you be willing to reply to this comment with links to "clickbait" that you have removed? I am not opposed to the rule or concern trolling. I am.genuinely curious about what a workable, objectively enforceable, definition would look like.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

That's a good question. I wonder if the best way to define it would be that the subject of the post is referenced but not included in the title. For example:

  • "Nintendo Switch price announced" (the subject, Nintendo Switch Price, is left out of the title)
  • "Who remembers this game?" (The subject, the game itself, is left out)

I don't know that I've removed anything for being clickbait alone (usually posts like these will also violate rule 2, which is much more objective) but I agree it would be great to pin down an even more specific and objective definition.

Sub rules have to be predictable to be fair, and this one should be improved however possible.

Thanks for weighing in, Kevdude!

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[–] aztek 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Maybe crawl back to your hole you worming little faggot? This place is doing just fine without the gestapo.

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[–] sakuramboo 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Less rules. The only ones I agree with are 1, 5, and 8. Everything else the community can regulate via voting.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I appreciate the feedback! What do you think about #5 (illegal content) potentially being a duplicate of Voat's site-wide user agreement?

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[–] thrus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I appreciate rule 2 especially about posting the game name, it is nice fore finding thins or knowing what to ignore if you know up front what game is being talked about.

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[–] sakuramboo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I was about to edit my post to point that out that having number 5 is redundant since illegal content is against the site rules.

My philosophy is that the more general a topic a subverse has the less rules it should have. "Gaming" is pretty general, so having more than 2 rules (subject related posts only, and tag NSFW posts) I see as being too strict.

For example, take a look at the 3 subs I own. /v/rcg and /v/youarefamousnow are very specific in what their subject matters are. If a post does not meet the subject requirements I will delete them (haven't had to yet). And then in /v/snowboarding I have 1 rule, post must be about snowboarding (I might make a NSFW tag, too, but haven't decided yet).

Rules 2, 3, 4, and 6 can all be regulated by the users votes, and even if it's not, they are all able to spawn discussions. Why remove discussions just because someone posted "The cake is a lie!"?

And rules 7 and 9 are rules to control user behavior and I am against mods dictating to the users how they need to behave.

Really, because of all the rules is why I unsubbed from here and subbed /v/videogames.

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