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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 1 points 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

I think that's a good perspective to have. I don't expect the community to have to vote on every rule violation (that's what moderators are for) but if the community decides that harassment isn't a big deal, we can strike that rule asap and play it by ear. /v/gaming's rules evolve with the community and are regularly put up for review. I appreciate you and everyone who chooses to weigh in as a part of the community's decisions.

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[–] Namrok 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm enormously put off by having public discussion about individual proposed bans. I don't know if you've ever seen a wikipedia arbcom drama, but it's probably the most neurotic, cringy, spergy drama you can imagine.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That is an excellent point :P

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[–] 5987580? 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

Throw out rule 3 and let people downvote it if they want. After -4 it's collapsed anyway.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I appreciate the feedback! Part of rule 3 was mainly not wanting people to have an inbox flooded with comments if they pick up a stalker - that's why "sustained" is in the criteria, so collapsing the comment or downvoating it doesn't resolve that issue. But it's also a situation that happens fairly infrequently since I've been here.

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[–] 5987512? 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

I think it's a good idea to stay away from deciding on what harassment is. Maybe instead of arguing we can all get together when the admins come back and ask them if they have time to implement some sort of block function that doesn't rely on a browser addon.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I think that's an excellent suggestion!

Edit: You've inspired me: https://voat.co/v/ideasforvoat/comments/1211887

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[–] Kadynce 8 points 0 points (+8|-8) ago 

We wouldnt even need the rule if the block feature was implemented. We've been asking for it for a year at least T_T

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[–] Cynabuns 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Consider suggesting that users add v/AVE to their browsers; the ignore feature works really nicely.

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[–] 5987431? 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

No one but the admins can prove brigading anyway so that's a bit of a useless rule to have for a mod to enforce. Doxxing is something for the admins to handle also if they wish and I think harassment is too subjective for a few people to interpret.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

You've channeled my thoughts on brigading to a T. And you're right that doxxing is already in the TOS. The TOS does expressly require mods to enforce the site-wide rules (including doxxing), but that's no reason for us to double-cover a site-wide rule in the sidebar.

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[–] 5987464? 2 points 11 points (+13|-2) ago 

Yea, I don't think rule 3 is needed and just causes trouble. No need to reply to my comment in the other thread, I'm sure you have a lot.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I do, but I'm adament about going through each comment and replying personally. It's taking a long time, and I apologize if I miss a few.

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[–] TheodoreKent 2 points 10 points (+12|-2) ago 

You are such a great mod.

Not that my opinion matters, but I think that getting rid of rule 3 is a good idea. Harassment is so hard to define, yet extremely easy to claim. Best to not get involved in such matters, in my opinion.

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[–] Code-x 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

Your opinion just as good as anyone else around here bud. Don't think otherwise

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I sincerely appreciate the positive feedback :) waking up to an inbox full of hate was a shock, and my only thought at the time was how it might affect the /v/gaming community. It's a lousy feeling to feel like I've simultaneously let people down and put the community I love in the line of fire. /v/gaming has always been great to me, and I will continue to do all I can to respect each and every one of you.

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[–] Cynabuns 3 points 9 points (+12|-3) ago 

AGREE, Rule 3 should be removed.

And thank you for the ban removals and the open discussion :)

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

You're a top notch voater, Cynabuns; I appreciate your level-headedness.

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[–] Cynabuns 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Very kind of you, Chilly, likewise. Like I told @reacher elsewhere - this whole discussion could have become an @eggnogg or @she shitshow in a hurry but you two have been open and willing to listen to the community. Sincerely, thank you both for helping to make Voat fucking awesome.

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[–] Cynabuns 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Haha! You Dick!1!! Too funny, Reacher :D, lmao

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[–] CheekyMonkey 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I had noticed the comments in the last couple of weeks and was ok with the ban at first. I got involved in the discussion thread and had my mind changed.

That whole thread was great and full of people with totally different opinions talking through the issue, not being dicks about it and generally acting like adults.

Then we get this, a mod modding the way it should be done.

Its so refreshing and great to see happening.

I love Voat.

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[–] Cynabuns 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm curious if you ever came to a decision of your own after reading and being involved all the comments.

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[–] CheekyMonkey 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I think so :)

Originally my being ok with the ban was me reacting and not thinking, reacting to seeing the guy I'd noticed doing something I don't like "getting his comeuppance". It really only took someone to make me think to let me realize this. I've said before, one of the things I didn't like about Voat (seeing the front page filled up with stuff I really didn't like or agree with) is actually just a demonstration of the thing I like most about Voat, freedom of speech done properly. I've found in the past that its quite easy to get carried away with something I don't actually agree with just because "my feels" and when I just take a second to think I see it for what it is. So I generally try to keep that in mind, I guess today I just let it slip a little.

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[–] ChillyHellion [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm happy to be part of your positive experience, friend :)

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[–] CheekyMonkey 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Oops I forgot about the rule 3 thinger, I'm for removing it.

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