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Archived I'd like to see this used at a house vote on gun control (magaimg.net)
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[–] satisfyinghump ago
'Sorry for the text wall' are you kidding?!?!?! This was by far one of the most informative and exciting comments I've ever read on voat!!! And I'm glad you ignored the original post was about Vietnam and you posted mostly about ww2!!! Such interesting facts, and infectious. The way you write, it's clear you are extremely excited and interested about this topic.
Again, thank YOU!!! I myself love this sort of military history, not just conventional weapons but adhoc ones created on the front lines for some specific threat, or the insane logistics of creating a plan that's along the lines of a fucking prank (inflatable tank column haha!!!) Is impressive.
If you wouldnt mind typing a bit more, you have any books youd recommend to someone like me, who enjoys this historical stuff and would love to learn more about it. Any titles would be appreciated!!!
Btw that "dam buster" bomb was incredible, I saw some special on it on tv and just thinking about it makes me see how difficult the problem was. A bomber flying forward must be able to drop a bomb that does NOT continue forward, and it needs to jump and it needs to go backwards. Hehe... some geniuses we had back then!
Thanks again for the fun & informative post!
[–] i_scream_trucks 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Ill get digging. Gimme half an hour or so.
Thanks for your comment by the way, its rare i get one like that. Ive always been right into military history... and actually older european history.
Ill try and remember a few books ive read. If you can find anything that is written by or has been waved anywhere near Adolf Galland thats a good start (Germanys top fighter ace in WWII, he liked to write and was involved in quite a few post war movies, i think he was one of the technical advisers for the fucking incredible "Battle of Britain") - "Reach for the Sky" by Paul Brickhill tells Douglas 'Tin Legs' Baders story... he was a double amputee that was still a fighter ace. Hrm.... yeah... ill get back to ya.
Thing is about WWII stuff, theres fucktons of whacky conspiracy theories (hitlers UFOs, Vril, etc) but theres so much legit interesting stuff that honestly you dont even need to get into the fantasy stuff... and most of the lesser known but backed and evidenced stories actually explain most of the really whacky conspiracy theories anyway.
EDIT - Some books for ya -
Eagle Day - Richard Collier - has a bunch of first hand eyewitness accounts of the Battle of Britain.
Roald Dahl - Flying Solo - he actually talks about his experiences in the armed forces transporting aircraft around (my grandfather had the same job, delivering finished Spitfires to outfits in North Africa)
The Odessa File - Fredrick Forsyth (fiction but tells the tale of SS officers hiding in plain sight in post war germany, talks about 'Die Spinne' and german ratlines including references to the catholic church who offered assistance to fleeing nazis based on an apparently legit organisation.
If you want to understand what Australians are all about and why we think a little bit differently to americans and the british, look up anything thats close to a biography that involves 'Gallipolli' - A decent film to watch which gives you an idea of what it was like for us is Mel Gibsons first movie, literally 'Gallipolli' - Put it this way, Churchill himself then First Lord of the Admiralty landed ANZAC troops up against sheer cliff faces with a pissy little bit of beach overlooked by tens of thousands of ottoman turks as a 'diversion' so british troops could land at Souvla bay further up the coast, which they did, without any kind of battle what so ever. They then refused to send british troops to back up the Anzacs who were literally getting murdered and that resulted in months and months of sheer murder. Thats pretty much the birth of independant australian culture right there. We didnt have to fight the UK for our freedom, we had to fight the enemy so that the british didnt have to for our freedom. By the time the other colonies had to start taking up arms against the british to get their freedom (think the Malayan emergency) we were given ours wholesale without any kind of argument. We did our time in the Boer War, WWI, WWII, Malaya, then when we finally shook off england america drags us into Vietnam. Another anecdote that tells you what it was like for us was - Australian soldiers were forced to eat british rations that were not the newest stuff that was supplied to the armed forces, while when they were able to actually overrun turkish trenches they found..... Australian bully beef. Turkish soldiers were eating australian made food that had either been bought through suppliers or stolen from the british QMs and supply trains, while australians werent even getting the fresh shit rations, which in the heat of the dardannelles, just got worse and worse over time.
The Charge - David W Cameron - Tells the story of the last bayonets out cavalry charge in history. 4th Australian Light Horse Brigades charge against the Ottomans at the Battle of Beersheba. Had the battle not been won on that day, the entire african campaign would have been lost due to literally no water for the allies. It had been pretty much fought to a stalemate, so the aussies got on their horses, fixed bayonets, and went fucking apeshit, covering the ground, managed to break straight through their lines, turned, outflanked the turks, and terrorised the fuck out of them. Beersheeba and its water source fell, which allowed Alamein to fall, then the rest of Palestine, and alllowed the british to claim victory over the entire middle east. That cavalry charge is celebrated yearly here in melbourne across the street from 'Victoria Barracks' at the Cenotaph (i used to be a senior security guard at that barracks, very very fucking old place built during boer war, lots of very very interesting and old graffiti in the flag storage room below the flagstaff above the entrance. was very proud to have the job or raising the Australian and Tri-Forces ensign most days i was on duty.)
Oh, im not sure if there is a book for it but there is a movie starring David Jason called 'All The Kings Men' which is based in gallipolli, tells the story of the 1/5th batallion Norfolk regiment, BEF - The original story was that 230 soldiers walked out into smoke on patrol and were 'never seen again' but in actual fact got split apart and massacred in several different places, kind of originally got told as a 'sad mystery tale of a missing military division' but when you actually read into it is absolutely a case of british military incompetence inexperience and ineptness allowing them to first get lost, then divided, then picked off bit by bit until they were all done. Theres a bit of a sad movie with David Jason that pulls the heart strings a bit (especially because i love that dude) but the story they tell is horseshit. Still, decent movie if taken with a grain of salt.
The Machine Gunners - Robert Westall. I think its more focused at young adults and kids but by fuck did i love this book when i was a kid. Tells about a bunch of kids during the blitz in London, they come across a downed HE-111 and take the machine gun from it (and a flight cap from a very dead pilot), build themselves their own little military fort, and start make believing in theyre part of the war.... im not sure if im misremembering it but i think part of the plot was they actualyl accidentally shoot someone with the gun (proper turret machine guns here, not infantry) very cool book.
I could probably think of a bunch more but theres a start if youre interested in any of htat. They were just the first ones off the top of my head.
Enjoy.
[–] Awisegrasshopper ago
Nice work! I don't mind walls.