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[–] Whitemail 0 points 8 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago (edited ago)
The tax cuts are bad because the poor people who don't pay taxes didn't get a tax cut.
[–] Deplorablepoetry 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Nice one, so simple in truth it boggles a lefty mind.
It’s like someone who lost all their teeth because they don’t brush getting angry about the price of toothpaste.
[–] Sullysq 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
What strikes me as particularly incompetent is that the leadership hasn't even put together the easiest argument yet. It's not an honest argument but it's an easy and effective one. That is that the tax cuts, government taking less money from "the rich" (cause that's the only way they can frame it for their divisionary tactics) means they won't have as much money to give "back to those who need it" (i.e. welfare programs). It's the platform the democrats/socialists/commies have always ran on yet for some reason this time around they just can't seem to be able to articulate it. It's astonishing and I can't figure out why they're failing at this.
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[–] 0110001111 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Because when you tell someone to pay even more taxes when they're already paying 30-45% taxes, is not a good strategy, and the dems know it. And that's the problem, the dems KNOW their policies will lose jobs, fuck up the economy, and destroy livelihoods, but has it ever stopped them? Look at NAFTA, ACA, Common Core(Technically passed by Bush), Housing Bubble 1.0. As long as they get their cut, they couldnt give two shits who lives or dies.
[–] Sullysq 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Maybe it's a failure of leadership from the top. I mean who're the top democrats right now? Mumbling Feinstein, Fauxcahontas, Mcturtle. All of them have turned into complete blithering idiots in the headlights of Trump's successes. I remember just a couple years ago when Fauxcahontas was very well spoken and could argue strong points in congress. Now she just whimpers in breathy half sentences never getting to her points. TDS has crushed them all it seems.
[–] Naught405 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
You must just be out of the MSM liberal loop because that is exactly how they are casting it. 'if you are poor and get 380$ tax relief and they are rich and get 200,000 tax relief, Trump robbed 200,000 from the poor and gave it to the rich #peoplewilldie'
[–] Sullysq 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
No, I've heard that on NPR. I also heard the NPR anchor not be able to help himself from laughing at the guy. The message is there but they're failing to be able to communicate the argument in a believable way when it should be so easy.
[–] bernitdown 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
You know we spend more on defense than we do on welfare, right?
[–] Sullysq 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
You know we all benefit from defense and only some of us are dependent on welfare, right?
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[–] Whitemail 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Only criminals should have guns (that includes our government).
[–] Naught405 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
In Tropico 5 if you issue a tax cut it raises your popularity with every faction except the communists and environmentalists. It converts some people away from communism too though XD.
[–] go1dfish 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
A lot of their complaint seems to be that the individual tax cuts expire. I hate that too.
So I’m sure they will be voting to make the cuts permanent right? Right?
[–] Totenglocke 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Every change to tax rates has an expiration date. They do it so that it's easier for them to fuck with the tax code down the line.
[–] Sullysq ago
I haven't read the final form but from the earlier forms the expiration was linked to economic growth. If we didn't reach a certain threshold the taxes would expire. So if we do reach that threshold then they don't expire. The republicans are betting that the economy will reach and sustain that threshold so there shouldn't be a rollback on the cuts. Time will tell.
[–] Calann 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
The problem as I see it is, conservatives would like lower taxes, but maintain or increase military spending. Liberals would like to maintain or increase spending for social programs.
No one really seems to care about the national debt, so we keep on borrowing more and more money to pay for tax cuts and government programs.
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[–] hypercat 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Like scientists in the departments where science is involved, and doctors in the health department, it seems almost logical. And term limits would be awesome as they could not worry about having to be reelected, so they could actually do what their constituency wants and not what the dollars paid want.
[–] bernitdown ago
Meanwhile, progressives want higher taxes on the rich, just like they were in the 50s and 60s, and higher taxes on corporations, just like they were in the 50s and 60s, and REDUCE the tax rate on the lower/middle/working classes.
[–] Eleutheria 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
If anyone brings up the deficit, after Obongo doubling our national debt, they're getting backhanded.
[–] greycloud 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
tax cuts lift the burden on you and place it on your kids, just saying.
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[–] greycloud 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
both do it, don't fool yourself.