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[–] SelfReferenceParadox 39 points 42 points (+81|-39) ago 

>he says from within a society and culture founded on the idea of God

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[–] Vladimara 16 points 53 points (+69|-16) ago 

They were also founded on a culture of monarchs and kings. We got rid of those.

Just because It was there, doesn't make it right.

Besides, god didn't write the bible, humans did.

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[–] 10163293? 13 points 24 points (+37|-13) ago 

That does not mean the Bible does not contain valuable wisdom. If you read the Bible and only interpret every single word literally you will struggle to accept the rest. But there are symbolic and metaphorical wisdoms to be found in great number.

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[–] UglyTruth 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Humans like to think they did, but the human condition didn't exist within Judaism.

http://forum.clonehost.net/topic/20/humanism

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[–] 10166191? 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Because your jewish neo nobility is so much better now

The return of the king of france on the throne and royal decrees aside, what else can fix the debasement of french cultural and ethnical identity?

A vote ?

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[–] solar_flare 17 points 13 points (+30|-17) ago 

Exactly. This guy should read a little history about how the anti-religious/irreligious formed the Soviet Union, communist China, Khmer Rouge etc. which were some of the biggest murder machines in the history of mankind.

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[–] 0fsgivin 4 points 20 points (+24|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Yah and maybe should learn a little U.S. History you fucking moron.

John Adams

"as soon as either Sect would persecute another, if it had unchecked and unbalanced power. Nay, the Deists would persecute Christians, and Atheists would persecute Deists, with as unrelenting Cruelty, as any Christians would persecute them or one another. Know thyself, Human Nature!"

"the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Thomas Jefferson

'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,'

James Madison

"implies either that the civil magistrate is a competent judge of religious truth; or that he may employ religion as an engine of civil policy. The first is an arrogant pretension falsified by the contradictory opinions of rulers in all ages, and throughout the world: the second an unhallowed perversion of the means of salvation."

THE MOTHERFUCKING CONSTITUTION

"shall be bound by oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."

"Under god" was later added to the pledge by neo con scum during the mccarthy era...What a grand time. And in god we trust was added by religious zealots far after the founding fathers were long dead.

And ironically enough...The Lord your fucking god. Ya know. That entity you hold so dear you sorry scumbag fuck.

The Kingdom of God is inside you and all around you Not in a mansion of wood and stone Split a piece of wood and I am there Lift a stone and you will find me.

You don't even know your god damn scripture. You stupid uneducated sum' bitch.

Also, do me a favor. Don't fly the gadsden with your trash fucking stars and bars. One is the flag of the south. The other a flag of slavers and traitors.

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[–] Crensch 6 points 15 points (+21|-6) ago  (edited ago)

Soviet Union,

Jews

communist China,

Chinks

Khmer Rouge etc.

Gookniggers

/golfclap

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[–] Obama_BinLadin 5 points -1 points (+4|-5) ago 

It's a good point. As a modern atheist I find myself very disconnected from my people just because I don't believe in a floating man in the sky. Jews don't seem to mind... Why do I?

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[–] Runaway-White-Slave 7 points 7 points (+14|-7) ago 

Love how he's created a Straw-Man to represent "religious people", I'm certain there are tons of "religious people" who don't think like that at all.

In fact I'm doubtful he's been asked that much at all, if ever.

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[–] 0fsgivin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yah, im religous. At no point does the lord need Uncle Sams help...In fact it is quite the opposite.

Church and the state should be kept seperate at the CHURCHES behest. The lord our god does not need the state to punish sinners.

What we decide amongst ourselves to punish is what we decide. But I think god can handle himself vrs his enemies or more to the point. His children he feels needs a lesson/discipline.

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[–] boxofcrackers 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago  (edited ago)

He never was. This track gets put on by that type of "atheists" all the time. It's paraphrasing Aristoteles and I doubt that smartass in the OP can explain to me what Aristoteles really (or possibly really) meant.

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[–] BUTTHOLE__EMPRESS 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

As an ex-christian, I've been asked this a countless number of times, it's usually murder or pedophilia. I've changed so much over the years I'm not sure I can really understand their state of mind, I just hypothesize they haven't really thought about it.

Also while I've been asked these things a lot, it has been by more fundamentalist evangelical Christians. I'm not saying all Christians are a certain way, I'm juts explaining there's a certain subculture where these sorts of questions are asked.

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[–] ZYX321 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This single comment will serve as a barometer of atheist versus deist for all of the v/funny visitors. Thanks.

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[–] 10163503? 1 points 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

Pretty sure god doesn't stop anyone from raping and murdering anyway.

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[–] 8Ball 2 points 7 points (+9|-2) ago 

And if they need some god up above to keep them moral, then how moral are they really?

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[–] the_sharpest_knife 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

and care.

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[–] Patchouli 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Tell that to Penn who's a satanist.

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[–] 0fsgivin 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Well...thats...thats impossible to know. I'm all for sepration of church and state. But I think your statement is unprovable.

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[–] 10164757? 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Not a philosophical proof, just a general statement. Clearly, people alter their behavior due to all kinds of things, including imaginary beliefs. I just think if someone wants to rape and murder, they'll likely do it anyway, then ask forgiveness in prison after they're caught.

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[–] 9-11 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

It's not funny because the guy is a cringey goofball

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/621668102275731456?lang=en

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[–] Chiefpacman 26 points 10 points (+36|-26) ago 

He's lieing.

He doesn't do all those things because he'd go to jail and people wouldn't like him. Society and government are his god.

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[–] CobraStallone 4 points 20 points (+24|-4) ago 

I don't believe in God, I can't have morality? Give me a break. And you can't really claim that your morality is 100% bible derived and 0% from social consensus, because it evolves with time. People made a big deal of being different denominations up to 30 years ago, now not so much. 30% of the ten commandments deal with the proper worship of God, and there's no commandment on not raping, except tangentially as it refers to someone being another man's wife. No commandment on the environment. Or diddling kids.

Ever heard of stoicism? I aspire to that, there you have a philosophical framework for good living that doesn't involve supernatural claims. Even without an articulated philosophy, I never bought into the God thing, not even as a child and I did not see that as carte banche to murder people, I assure you.

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[–] Chiefpacman 6 points 5 points (+11|-6) ago  (edited ago)

I don't believe in God, I can't have morality?

Didn't say that, basically said the opposite of that. People are not inherently just good people though.

And you can't really claim that your morality is 100% bible derived and 0% from social consensus, because it evolves with time.

Putting words in my mouth a little bit, but I would argue that western ideals are mostly based on the morals of the Bible. Especially in the US.

30% of the ten commandments deal with the proper worship of God

30% of 10 is 3. Biblical morales doesn't just to refer to the worship of God, it's somewhat of a separate issue in this context. Were talking about morals that come as an effect of the worshipping. Maybe I'm just confused on what you meant.

I agree with what your saying otherwise. Would you say its fair to give some credit of morals to the Bible and Christian teachings? I'm not trying to offend your basis of morality; from my perspective, it's cultural history... or something like that.

Your morals are based on something though.

https://voat.co/v/funny/2059781/10163309 Peaceseeker put it nicely.

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[–] jbnunez 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

its not that you cant have morality. Its that:

If there is no god murder isn't wrong:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrcQ_PTkVD4

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[–] csicskageci 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

I don't either but I consider most morality a sham. People just signal goodness. They are not good.

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[–] KoKansei 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Penn Jillete is one of the most overtly libertarian entertainers out there. Saying that government is his god is pretty silly.

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[–] Chiefpacman 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It doesnt have anything to do with his politics

He's human, and he's encouraged to do good by society and the government.

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[–] 10163309? 12 points 3 points (+15|-12) ago 

If he lacks morality and lives in a society where he knows with 100% certainty that he could get away with rape, he would rape every attractive white woman he laid his eyes on.

Not that belief in God is necessary for morality -- but you have to believe in something, and it is from a belief in God that all contemporary moralities hinge upon.

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[–] ohnoitsaninja 7 points 15 points (+22|-7) ago 

That reveals more about your thinking than his.

You don't need to believe in any sort of higher power to believe ruining other peoples lives to appease your cock is a shit-tier human thing to do.

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[–] Laurentius_the_pyro 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

The fact that you think that people would just rape non-stop if they wouldn't get a punishment for it shows you have some serious problems.

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[–] BUTTHOLE__EMPRESS 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Thought experiment ... please. Let's say you don't believe in God anymore. What would you do that's 'wrong'?

I know you believe, but as an experiment, like, try really hard to pretend you don't. What would you do?

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[–] Saufsoldat 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

but you have to believe in something, and it is from a belief in God that all contemporary moralities hinge upon.

Have any souce for this smelly bullshit?

The bible doesn't really condemn rape beyond the fact that you're damaging another man's property. And it condones slavery. Yet, both are strictly illegal. Meanwhile, the bible downright forbids a lot of things that are perfectly legal. Only three of the ten commandments are actually illegal to violate.

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[–] BUTTHOLE__EMPRESS 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Why does God not murder us or be a pedo or whatever? Is is because people won't like him too?

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[–] Chiefpacman 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

You realize that's a dumb question, if you can call it a question

God is the alternative to government in this argument, or at the very least they work together to achieve 'morality.'

The answer is no. The creator of all things does not answer to the US government.

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[–] goranko 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

It is true.

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[–] Zaqwert 4 points 5 points (+9|-4) ago 

His argument isn't very sound.

  1. Raping and murdering are illegal. If they were legal many people would do both of them a lot more.

  2. The legal/ethical/moral value systems of Western societies are grounded primarily in Judo-Christian values. Almost all atheists in the West have values imprinted upon them indirectly by these religions, even if they don't believe the religions themselves.

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[–] FuckYouReddit- 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Raping and murdering are illegal. If they were legal many people would do both of them a lot more.

Not people who live by their values.

The legal/ethical/moral value systems of Western societies are grounded primarily in Judo-Christian values. Almost all atheists in the West have values imprinted upon them indirectly by these religions, even if they don't believe the religions themselves.

Describes me to a T.

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[–] ZYX321 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Doing something "all you want" includes evaluating all of the repercussions you're aware of.

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[–] Patchouli 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

He's not making a rational point. It's to push people away from God more. He's a satanist after all.

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[–] Fotan 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Devils advocate

All things being equal, if some people are never going to rape because they don't want to, so be it, but if some rapist believes in god and therefore does not rape, it then justifies the belief by there now being one less rapist.

That being said, what an individual takes from their religion and thinks is most important could be most anything.

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[–] Fambida 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

but if some rapist believes in god and therefore does not rape, it then justifies the belief by there now being one less rapist.

That really depends on how much harm the belief causes in comparison to how much good.

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[–] Fotan 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Yes, using this criteria

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[–] TommyW 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Angels advocate.

All things being equal, if someone believes that if he rapes someone then a three-headed dog will fly down from the moon and shit in his mouth while he's sleeping then that might also convince him not to rape people. But that guy's a lunatic.

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[–] Crensch 5 points -2 points (+3|-5) ago 

Devils advocate

but if some rapist believes in god and therefore does not rape, it then justifies the belief by there now being one less rapist.

If some non-rapist believes in a god, and thinks god wants him to rape, then it justifies him raping. Which justifies the disbelief in a god, no?

After all, the concept of a god is just a stupid fairy tale, and if you can get someone to believe stupid things, you can get them to act on those beliefs.

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[–] Antiracist10 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

After all, the concept of a god is just a stupid fairy tale,

Remember that time you were utterly unable to respond to rational argument, and so you kept sucking Lawrence Krauss's cock?

The prime mover isn't a fairytale, it's a philosophical argument that you don't understand and that you're incapable of addressing, you fucking nitwit.

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha @vladimara @stretched_girl

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[–] Vladimara 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And whom advocates for such things?

The insane, or those without any morals that stand to directly benefit from such things.

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[–] Fotan 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

You didn't read my last sentence, different people take different things from religion, some good some bad.

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[–] CanadianPatriot 7 points 3 points (+10|-7) ago 

the catholic church exists to fuck kids. religion , specifically Christianity, can fuck right off. Thanks :) Ill take the old Roman pagan religions. Lets go to the temple of saturn and sacrifice a hetatomb of cows now.

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[–] culturalrealism 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

the Catholic church IS the temple of silly old Saturn, duh

why u think Saturnalia is biggest holiday of the year?

cut down a tree, put it in your house, decorate it, worship it a little, maybe dance around it gleefully, hang some holly...

you're fucked if you think you and your kind have not been tricked into worshiping Saturn and the old blood gods (Isis, Ra, El) as the singular "God of Abraham"

edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cappello_romano - waved in front of you

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[–] Vladimara 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's fucking christmas, wherever it came from It's been claimed by Christains.

Saturn has even less likehlyhood of existing than.

Are you going to seriously going to say, despite all Christian imagery, the fucking hate that I have never seen in relation to Christmas, makes it not a christain worship?

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[–] CanadianPatriot 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I really enjoyed the Saturnalia of 230 BCE. My slaves ate, drank and fornicated with such splendid vigor What a hilarious bunch.

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[–] Patchouli 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

The Catholic Church was taken over by satanists in the 1400. You think someone who fears the wrath of God would rape one of his children?

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[–] 0fsgivin 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Yah, orgies prevent rapes...if not fucked up as well don't get me wrong.

But sexual repression will cause more rapes and the catholic church is a prime example of this.

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