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[–] lakeyosemit 2 points 25 points (+27|-2) ago  (edited ago)

There's no confirmed proof that DuckDuckGo is violating your privacy, but there are some very suspicious things, however, that make certain other search engines far superior in that regard.

  • Gabriel Weinberg, the founder of DuckDuckGo, used to run the Names Database.[1] This was a website that aimed to connect people who had lost contact by gathering lots and lots of e-mail addresses. Getting access could be done by either paying money, or submitting lots of e-mail addresses of other people. Since the service revolved around gathering personal information, it is very suspicious for Gabriel Weinberg to start a business that is privacy-oriented. [2]

  • DuckDuckGo used to set a tracking cookie, even though they claimed they didn't. This was done by a third party they cooperate with, which means that it wasn't necessarily intentional, but if it's unintentional, it shows a worrying lack of care.[3]

  • DuckDuckGo is based in the US. This makes it really easy for the NSA to compromise it. If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power to force them to log everything without telling anyone. This wouldn't guarantee privacy, but it would make it a lot more plausible. Instead, they're based in the US, which means that the NSA can do whatever they want with them. There are secure search engines that are not based in the US.[3]

Recommended Alternatives

None of this proves that DuckDuckGo is harmful for your privacy, but it is enough reason for strong suspicion. Luckily, there are search engines with a better track record. These are some suggestions.

  • Startpage/Ixquick

  • These search engines are both run by the same company. Startpage gets its results from Google, meaning that it's Google minus tracking, and Ixquick gathers its results from many other search engines, but not Google. Both give equivalent privacy. Which one to use is a matter of preference.The company is based in the Netherlands, and it has servers located in the US and the EU. It is advisable to configure it to use only EU servers in the settings. There are many other settings which can give you extra privacy, often at the loss of performance. It also allows you to save settings with a simple, non-identifiable URL, in order to avoid cookies. It takes privacy very seriously.

  • searx

  • Searx is a privacy-respecting metasearch engine with more practical features compared to Startpage and Ixquick, but with less privacy features. Its most important quality is the fact that it's completely free, libre and open source. This means that you can see what the server is supposed to be doing (keep in mind that there is no way to verify that the server is running the public source code), but it also means that other people can set up their own instance. There are many other instances which provide the same features. This makes it very hard for agencies like the NSA to compromise it. Even if searx is controlled by the NSA, they wouldn't have control over the other instances, and getting control over all instances would be practically impossible.

[1] https://archive.is/9wR4O (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_Database)) [2] https://archive.is/N2qe8 (http://www.eyerys.com/articles/people/search-engine-and-privacy-gabriel-weinberg)) [3] https://archive.is/qntuk (http://www.alexanderhanff.com/duckduckgone - Dead link)

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[–] MisanthropicAsshole 5 points 6 points (+11|-5) ago 

"(((Gabriel Weinberg))), the founder of DuckDuckGo, "

"None of this proves that DuckDuckGo is harmful for your privacy"

Oy vey yes goyim this site very better than google because reasons. Keep using it.

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[–] wizardofthefuture 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

If it were based in the EU, for example, the NSA wouldn't have the legal power to force them to log everything without telling anyone.

Not necessarily true. The EU is way more corrupt, many of its politicians being easily bought and pretty openly engaging in corrupt self-serving schemes. I don't imagine it would be difficult at all for a foreign agency to have complete access to EU internet.

In terms of domestic spying, governments like Germany or UK are very pro-surveillance, and Germany in particular has gotten caught many times selling out its citizens. Germany also has enough influence and leverage on many European nations to potentially compromise them as well, with or without their knowledge.

Like you said, it's not proof any of this is going on, we're just speculating here, but I think the idea of European internet privacy being a thing is extremely overrated.

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[–] Animaillian 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Search for islamaphobia on duckduckgo and all the results on the first page are politically correct rubbish. I don't see any reason to switch

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[–] HitlerDinduNufin 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Search for islamaphobia on duckduckgo and all the results on the first page are politically correct rubbish.

Thats because the very concept of "islamaphobia" is politically correct rubbish. People who legitimately complain about the religion of peace (lol) are hardly gonna lable themselves islamophobic.

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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Since you posted the most comparable list. Can you tell me why British equivalent nsa entity has not compromised start page?

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

What would the British have to do with a search engine based in the Netherlands?

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[–] stayawayfrommybutt 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

Stop overly promoting DuckDuckGo Holy shit. They aren't good enough to keep worshipping like Voat has been doing. They're shady and not as transparent as other options. I am starting to suspect DDG shills (I hate the word shill) are being paid to promote this shit. It makes me want to not ever use it.

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[–] Kr3mlin 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Agreed. DuckDuckGo shows a lot of suspicions. It's either transparent or not transparent. None of this middle ground bullshit. https://www.searx.me

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[–] stayawayfrommybutt 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think it is Searx.me and not .com.

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[–] tribblepuncher 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

The "worship" is mostly due to not being aware of the alternatives, unfortunately. More posts about DDG are showing up with the shady stuff being pointed out, so things are improving on this front, although slowly.

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[–] wizardofthefuture 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It's just the most commonly known alternative with the image of a "privacy search engine" in the general public, so that's why people post it as a suggestion so much. It's also listed on many browsers as a default option. They suggest what they know.

Just curious, what do you think of Startpage? It's trying hard to be the privacy engine of choice. It uses Google results but claims to strip all user information and not log anything.

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[–] Dark_Shroud 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

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[–] Infowarrior420 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

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[–] priva 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

DDG, Tutanota, NordVPN, Debian, Encrypted HD, IceCat, uBlock Origin, HTTPS Everywhere, Cookie AutoDelete, Rooted LineageOS on phone, LetsEncrypt SSL on homepage, No Facebook/Twitter/Insta account, VirtualBox desktop for porn

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[–] stayawayfrommybutt 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Why would you use a virtual computer for porn? Actually, why even watch porn?

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[–] priva 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I had the impression that there is no other way to avoid this than running a virtual machine https://arstechnica.com/security/2017/02/now-sites-can-fingerprint-you-online-even-when-you-use-multiple-browsers/

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[–] Cheesebooger 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I use Start Page

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[–] MetalAegis 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I like startpage but the issue I have with it is that the results are essentially google results, all the top results regarding news, science and politics are all from leftwing sources, while they omit results they've deemed 'fake news' up completely to their discretion.

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[–] Kr3mlin 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Just ensure your keywords are spot on to which you would like to search.

For example, if you're after pots and pans locally and would like to order locally and not overseas just search for "pots and pan us". Notice I've added the country at the end. This works all the time.

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[–] Cheesebooger 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I've never heard of Searx

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[–] unclejimbo 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Man I'm not using a search engine that takes longer to type than what I'm gonna search

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[–] PsyOp 3 points 1 points (+4|-3) ago 

I've been using DuckDuckGo for years...it uses the Google search engine. :.(

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[–] PsyOp 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

HA! It says that the DDG search engine was created by (((Gabriel Weinberg)))!

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[–] RedChildPurpleMind 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I cannot STAND DuckDuckGo

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[–] PsyOp 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

What engine do you use for your searches?

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[–] valiumvillage 6 points -3 points (+3|-6) ago  (edited ago)

And its owned by Yahoo.

With all the advertising I've seen on the site for it, I'm pretty sure they are shilling themselves hard to profit from Google's fuckup.

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[–] Dark_Shroud 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

DDG is not owned by Yahoo. They have contracts with Yahoo for search data because Yahoo gave a better deal than directly using Bing.

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[–] Saintvalentine 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I came to this thread thinking the same thing, way too many Google aggregate search engine posts in the last two weeks. I think duck duck go is compromised given how hard it's being pushed. Not just that, but it's not great. certainly no reason to climb the walls and trumpet how much better than it's step father it really is.

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