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[–] theMETA 1 points 81 points (+82|-1) ago 

This is in /v/funny, but I've always seen this as a serious issue.

Situations like this will drive programmers, like Chad here, away from this company. That'll make these "other programmers" look bad, because the company will not actually be programming anything... especially when compared to the company that Chad goes to, which will probably be filled with males who actually program, like Chad.

This is when Chad's old company cries sexism, forces Chad's new company to "diversify" their staff, and ends up driving Chad (and his co-workers) away, and perpetuating the cycle.

It's madness, and will destroy the ecosystem if it continues.

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[–] 6713899 2 points 36 points (+38|-2) ago 

Seems legit.

Ill hire a woman if she can write java or perform advanced linux administration, but in the companies entire history we havent even had a single applicant qualified for those jobs.

At best we had two women applied who wanted to manage developers despite not actually knowing anything about code theirselves.

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[–] karaz 0 points 21 points (+21|-0) ago 

There are competent ones out there, though they are incredibly rare. You'll get decent women as QA, scrum masters or product owners but when it comes to dev you have two types - the rare skilled one that loves it, sits on her ass and writes code like the rest of us. And then there's the second type that goes in because it's hip right now, only to realize that unless you love it, sitting on your ass and writing code isn't all that glamorous.

Of the first type i've met about 8 in my 12 years. Of the second... well dozens, but they don't last very long.

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[–] theburntsausage 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

two women applied who wanted to manage developers despite not actually knowing anything about code

the ignorance of some people is overwhelming.

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[–] cynoclast 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

I've been in the industry for over a decade now. I've seen three women's' resumes in all that time. Three.

Meanwhile, the various places I've worked in that time have rejected easily 100 men's applications...

One woman started crying in the technical interview and asked if we asked all candidates those questions, which of course we did. It was the same list of questions we used for all candidates.

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[–] bikergang_accountant 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

I like silver linings. To me this just means large corporations will be encumbered while small tech groups of ~5 people working on one software can still get whoever the hell they want.

I'm odd that I want software to be commercial but not corporate. I wish there was more software I could buy from a small group. More realistically though those people would code for some industrial process.

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[–] auto_turret 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Industrial processes are probably the easiest thing to code for.. well in my experience. They only want the same basic features.. Modbus capable.. automation interface.. graphing of analog data.. data capture.. sometimes a PID control scheme to throw in the mix.. other than that there really ain't much else to it.

Edit: lest I forget.. linearization of their dumb ass choice of sensor technology! This pisses me off the most, when they have obvious better choices but choose to side on the cheaper tech which requires lots of my work... damnit..

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[–] CervicalStrike [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Good point, anything that encourages small business specifically is probably a good thing.

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[–] White_Phillip 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

You just described white flight using programming as a metaphor

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[–] Brightness 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

If they know what they are doing they should be hired. If they do what they're supposed to do they should stay hired. That is it. It is not sexism. I worked in the auto body field and was successful because this was how I expected to be treated and did not want any special treatment.

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[–] Gorillion 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

You're describing a "meritocracy" (advancement through merit), a concept that SJWs etc are specifically attempting to drive out of Silicon Valley.

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[–] Gargilius 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

You think we like that?

...well, at least we don't have to watch every word we say - or think - and don't have to worry about how long eye contact is considered harassement, and can scratch our balls while coding, you know, normal stuff, without fear of losing our job.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

So, how much you willing to pay to keep us out?

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[–] WickedVocalist 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Fucking sickening.

Your glitches are gaping wider than your fave PS asshole.

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[–] SecularPenguinist 1 points 12 points (+13|-1) ago 

I've worked in IT for decades. I don't think I've ever encountered a white female coder that didn't look like she just fell off a manure truck. I can think of one hottie who happened to be Asian. Not sure how good of a programmer she was but everyone loved her.

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[–] reeperpill 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

You have obviously never worked with women. Be very thankful for that.

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[–] CervicalStrike [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I actually enjoy working with women, but I work in a place women actually excel at. I'm a supervisor at a hospital laboratory and most of my best lab techs are women. Women are generally less good than men at visual spatial cognition and iterative thinking, which makes sense as to why men are naturally better at coding. However, women are generally better than men at multitasking effectively, which is probably the main proficiency required in this line of work. Makes sense from an evolutionary perspective.

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[–] cynoclast 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I saw a few in my freshman class in college. Only one of them stuck with the program to get a Computer Information Science degree where her senior project was about "the MP3 controversy".

Meanwhile I had a GPS targeting system for a solenoid actuated golfball cannon that I designed and built...

There are absolutely women who are good coders. But they're very rare in my experience.

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[–] CervicalStrike [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Meanwhile I had a GPS targeting system for a solenoid actuated golfball cannon that I designed and built...

Dude, that is pretty fucking sweet.

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[–] Plavonica 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Meanwhile I had a GPS targeting system for a solenoid actuated golfball cannon that I designed and built...

Lol, that had to be a fun project!

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[–] fagnig 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, every year there are close to 140,000 jobs requiring a CS degree, but only 40,000 U.S. college graduates major in CS, which means that 100,000 positions go unfilled by domestic talent.

Thank you for the article link. This quote is interesting if true, Trump seems to be aware of this reality, when talking about H-1B visas as something which needs addressing in time, but not one which needs addressing right now. Hes right, but ive seen people on here claim this is why Trump is part of the problem, or something like that.

Regardless of the demographic make up of domestic employees, the overwhelming quality of the workforce is projected to be "diverse" so cringey promo material like this has obvious utility in harmonizing le workplace. When this is the present-day-future, jobs are created in cringey-PR-harmoney campaigns.

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[–] rwbj 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I imagine they would not overtly lie about the numbers, but there is some major context missing. A gap that large would mean demand and wages for entry level developers would be huge. Neither of those are true. It could also mean that H1-Bs would be taking some 100/140 or 71% of development jobs on average which is also very much not even close to true.

My wife and I both graduated a top ten university for CS. I went to work independently but she went job fishing after graduation. The best she got was working for Boeing for something like $40k with no benefits/holiday in.. Iowa. Good scores, female, top university and that was the best offer. And according to the census 74% of STEM majors do not work in STEM.

Companies are not particularly anxious to hire computer science majors and their pay is mediocre as well relative to the skill involved. Entry level electrical engineers (which is a sort of sister field to computer science) for comparison earn an average of near $70k. Basic economics would seem to indicate a massive surplus in the market of computer science applicants.

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[–] Giult 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Thanks, scrolling up and down searching for this..

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[–] fagnig 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Chad is, everything that is wrong with coding today i presume.

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[–] WeekendBaker 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Chad needs a Stacie

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[–] lord_nougat 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Lol, Durkadurka.

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[–] Erotic_Monkey 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Made me LoL too.

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[–] PM_ME_UR_NOODZ 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Taneesha Morgan

thin black woman

It is a sad state of affairs when she is the rarest of them all

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[–] lexsird 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

This is why we need to work hard advancing sexbots and female androids, cloning tech and genetic manipulation for eugenics. We can eliminate females all together and replace them with highly functional companions programmed in all aspects of pleasuring us, with True Loyalty TM and an entire range of skills to make themselves useful.

We have the intellectual capacity to make our perfect companions and reject the mistakes that nature has made.

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[–] Gargilius 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

....hope you included 'sandwich making' in the specs.

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[–] Wahaha 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Did you watch that movie about Stanford Stepford women or something? It's about exactly this scenario and kind of hilarious, but also rather bad in other ways.

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[–] WickedVocalist 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

May you forever be stuck in your machinistic mental masturbations and leave the physical quotient out.

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[–] Bilbo_Swaggins 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

At a minimum it'd break up the female monopoly on sex, bringing capitalism into the equation. Women could compete with the robots, but only if they did their absolute best.

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[–] lexsird 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

They'd have to seriously up their game. A fembot, or female android could perform far more tasks, far better. It could adapt to your whims to serve you while maintaining everything around you, help you with your hobbies and even job. Of course with that tech so much of our job landscape would change. We'd need to be expanding our frontiers. First at home, those with such tech would have to conquer those without it. Then an expansion into the solar system, then the galaxy, all of which we could do exponentially with our endless supply of android labor.

We just got to avoid the android uprising or similar nightmares envisioned by science fiction writers. lol

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[–] WeekendBaker 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

It's a lack of fucking that is causing the problem.

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[–] Bilbo_Swaggins 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

This continent was conquered and this nation was built by large numbers of monogamous White couples having lots and lots of sex.

I say we institute this policy as an answer to many of our current problems. At a minimum, it'll be fun.

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