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[–] Redditgodie 1 points 28 points (+29|-1) ago 

This is from a site called redpanels. It's mostly an anti-governemtn comic, so I don't think this is so much pro bernie as anti-welfare.

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[–] Chiefpacman 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Bernsters supporters have been pretty vocal on voat.

Much as I hate them and their extended palms, can't pretend their not here.

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[–] 51rH0n3y84d93r 3 points 14 points (+17|-3) ago 

I'd say it's a spectrum. The money that was paid into SS is a tax, and relying on it to still be there in the future is a huge leap of faith. The 'free college' kids want the freebie now, but would pay the taxes for it following (Debatable, I know.). Arguably, the latter is safer as the former program is full of IOU's and will fall apart or will have additional restrictions placed on it. IE: (You can only get 1/2 as many payouts.) SS may look like a trust, but it's just a tax with a cool name, and no force of law to make it solvent.

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[–] EatingSteak 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

Great post - the "Goddamn kids these days" want more social help & programs and more taxes to support them. It's a reasonable argument/perspective. There are reasons why it might not work out very well, but it could have many benefits. There's also a philosophical fairness battle. Right or Wrong here is a matter of perspective. I'm conservative fiscally, so I wouldn't support this movement, but you have to respect it as reasonable.

Social Security, on the other hand, is objectively bad. It's a lie, and the money used to pay for it doesn't exist. I mean, you can "create" it in an abstract way (which ultimately becomes a tax of sorts, as you said). You're borrowing money from people who didn't agree to give it to you, paying yourself with it, and sticking the bill (interest) to people who don't exist yet. Now THAT'S wrong, and it's not a partisan issue.

For all the squaking you hear about how badly our veterans "are treated" - it's funny because I work with about a dozen veterans who get good healthcare because they have jobs.

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[–] CowWithBeef 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Paying into a socialist system doesn't stop it from being socialist.

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[–] IdSay 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

bernie sanders has been the idol of voat LONG before the trump-fags arrived. look it up, fag.

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[–] middle_path 7 points 17 points (+24|-7) ago 

Kinda like all the government workers who oppose universal healthcare.

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[–] theoldguy 2 points 15 points (+17|-2) ago 

Ask that Vietnam vet how his ordeal with VA healthcare went.

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[–] 51rH0n3y84d93r 1 points 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

I'd add a clarifying tip to this. It was designed to reap the benefits of continual growth, but falls apart as soon as the growth slows down faster than the benefits are handed out. This was a clear win for those who never put anything into it at the beginning, similar to a ponzi scheme.

Solutions: Increase the age, IE: (Hopefully enough people will die off that they won't get anything + for those who live they get fewer payments.) decrease the payouts, increase taxes or kill the program.

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[–] William_Wallace 12 points 13 points (+25|-12) ago 

This cartoon is an obvious false equivalency.

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[–] CowWithBeef 2 points 5 points (+7|-2) ago 

If you oppose socialism, you should oppose social security. It is not necessarily hypocritical to accept the check after a lifetime of paying into the system, but supporting socialism for yourself and not for another person is.

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[–] muffalettadiver 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

Let the berniebros give all of their paycheck to a Jew who recklessly spends it only to lose. 200 Million and you cannot even get ahead of Hillary. What in the fuck are you doing, Bernie?

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[–] Redditgodie 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

Not that I disagree, but vet/OAP welfare is still a socialist policy, people are just so used to it that they no longer notice it.

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[–] Imadumbass 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Exactly. Canadian here with a buddy in the reserve army. It's a social program for people who can't get their shit together and live in the real world. He's as conservative as they come. The irony is lost on him.

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[–] anoncastillo 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Except that it makes more sense to invest in future workers than people who will never work again. Workers' wages haven't risen in 45 years while the number of retirees per worker is about 1.5x as high as it was 45 years ago. And old people bitch about young people going glbt and not having kids when our generation can't fucking afford kids because we're paying people to change grandma's diapers instead.

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[–] Lucumon 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

If I wasnt forced to put money into a ponzi scheme like SS, i wouldn't.

Why not be like Chile in this regard? Require a certain % be invested in an approved vehicle? Then the government cant use the "Trust" as a slush fund?

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[–] anoncastillo 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

I hate Social Security and Medicare. There are 1.5 times as many retirees per worker today as there were 50 years ago and we all have to work harder to take care of those lazy SOBs because of it. Retirees are responsible for more wage stagnation than the increase in wealth disparity.

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[–] Lag-wagon 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

... they worked for 30+ years to get that check. Berny just wants to give people money away for free. Fuck that. Work for it.

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