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[–] PraiseIPU 4 points 190 points (+194|-4) ago 

They do this so they can say they looked and nobody wanted the job so they can hire immigrants.

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[–] lbruiser 0 points 81 points (+81|-0) ago 

Eh, little of column A, little of column B.

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[–] FormerlyKnownAsGkar 0 points 37 points (+37|-0) ago 

Because the real entry level jobs are filled with unpaid interns who've bought into the "you can't get a job unless you've had an internship" BS.

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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

They do this so they can say no one meets the requirements we tried. We need h1b! They are a minority owned company, could be Indian bring over their Indian fellows. But that is all speculation.

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[–] hkrdrm 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That's not even entry level pay. I think fast food workers get paid more than that in some states.

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[–] ghotioninabarrel 2 points 52 points (+54|-2) ago 

That is the only explanation that makes any sense at all. I'm pretty sure the blacklist part would be illegal if they actually did it and is just to scare people out of applying.

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[–] idunnome 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Unless the company is owned by a larger conglomerate, I'm pretty sure the only company that will enforce this "blacklist" is their own.

I wouldn't work for them anyway.

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[–] TheDude2 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

To make it more insulting, the immigrant won't have any experience nor the certs. (If they have the certs they got them by cheating)

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[–] Lag-wagon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Immigrants... You mean h1b visa holders.

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[–] Gamio 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It is an it isn't, a lot of big companies do it for the visas and where possible justify outsourcing but smaller and medium sized companies do it so they can avoid any kind of training costs and get people desperate enough for an immediate start.

Those certificates and that kind of experience level takes time and money to acquire, the company is not willing to absorb any of the costs or time involved because they just want to hire two stooges to do contract work for other companies. I briefly went out with a girl whose father (migrants from Pakistan) made a very comfortable living doing just that in the Huston area, his one man company had a massive amount of staff turnover but always seemed to find someone desperate or gullible enough to employ.

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[–] individualin1984 1 points 82 points (+83|-1) ago 

$9.50 per hour? Holy fucking go fuck yourself.

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[–] Omnipresent 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

Go in, do nothing, get paid. Leave when you get a real job.

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[–] individualin1984 0 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago 

Well, when it comes to IT, with the exception of a few unicorns, you really get what you pay for. Sure they can get that worker that they believe has a real cost under $10, but your gambling your organizations productivity on this. When your trying to figure out what brought your organization down in 5 years look at your systems downtime and try to put some numbers to all of that lost productivity.

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[–] FormerlyKnownAsGkar 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Honestly, whoever came up with the "right to work" idea was fucking brilliant. Don't get me wrong - I absolutely want to skin them alive, but they certainly knew how to play the game.

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[–] Ben77 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I think $5 a day is probably nearer the mark

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[–] CombustibLemons 1 points 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

I make 10 dollars an hour and I work at fucking Walmart as an entry level sales associate.

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[–] paradox42 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I got more working as a life guard.

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[–] foobar777 1 points 38 points (+39|-1) ago 

Kinda like "Christian owned"... well, since 80% of the fucking country identifies with some "christian" religion that is a completely irrelevant statement.

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[–] bob3333 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

Any business that claims "Christian owned" is a crooked business trying to gain trust through associating themselves with something others perceive as having values. There's no other reason to make a public issue of your religion, in fact the Bible forbids it.

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[–] christy 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You don't get government contracts for being Christian owned though. Minority owned businesses get tons of prime/sub work for federal, state, county and city contracts because of the WMDBE requirements.

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[–] Porphyrogennetos 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

No, when they say Christian owned, what they really mean is, "We're better than you and we need to tell you about it."

They're probably just as bad as any one else

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[–] caelaorn 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

At least in the Gov't contracting game it is kinda an important distinction. There's some % of contracts that are set aside for various contractor groups including minority/women owned.

Not that this will be particularly important to a 9.50/hr worker, but if it was for a higher wage positions it could be a positive due to potentially better contract security.

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[–] bob3333 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Government contracting generally requires prevailing wages for contractors.

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[–] middle_path 0 points 54 points (+54|-0) ago 

This would be funny if it weren't so rampant in the job market. I considered getting into IT a while ago, but as a 20-something with very little computer experience - it's next to impossible. I prefer jobs where you can come into it knowing nothing and leave with an abundance of knowledge.

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[–] Kylan 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

I'd recommend checking out a tech support call center or service desk. They're all over and don't generally require experience. Do that for a year or so and you can generally move to something better.

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[–] Subtenko 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

^ NOW..HAS HE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTIONS SATISFACTORILY AND OFFERED GOOD CUSTOMER SERVICE?!

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[–] FeelinFroggy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Just don't do call center work for Sprint. Sprint sucks, their call centers suck, the people they hire to run the centers suck too.

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[–] grendelbiter 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Do that for a year or two and you have a newfound hatred for humanity.

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[–] captainpixystick 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Help desk is IT boot camp. Sink or swim!

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[–] idunnome 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I finished a two year school (was there for three years, got two AAS degrees) and was hired for a position in QA for a major enterprise-level network equipment manufacturer. That was 22 years ago. I've averaged five years per employer (a long time, in this industry) but I've come a long way.

If you're really interested in getting into IT, remember that there are ways to get an "in". Many employers will give preference to in-house applicants for a given position, and some employers may periodically give training for certification. (Mine, for example, gives vouchers for SANS certifications and has training for Linux+ and Security+.)

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[–] Ulluses 17 points 1 points (+18|-17) ago 

If you're 20 something and can't learn enough computer skills to handle an IT job then you are vehemently, rampantly retarded.

I have seen actual retarded people, the kind that lick the vending machine glass, handle the deliveries computers and drag boxes from the mail room to the offices with no problems for hours at a time.

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[–] RumpRangerRick 7 points 2 points (+9|-7) ago  (edited ago)

LOL @ the vehement retards, rampantly downvoting.

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[–] Deth_comes_ripping 1 points 30 points (+31|-1) ago 

Christ, the job market in Austin must really suck.

Threatening them with blacklisting if they apply and don't meet the requirements? Ok, so I know that is bullshit, but still. Such hostility to job applicants. Do they actually WANT people to apply? It seems like a dare or something.

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[–] texan11moore 0 points 25 points (+25|-0) ago 

You know even if someone happens to be qualified for that job, why would anyone actually apply to it? I would not want to be hired at a place where there is threat of being fired even before having an opportunity for an interview.

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[–] FeelinFroggy 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Minority owned business, eh? Me thinks someone is on a bit of a power trip, wants to watch white folk beg, then get to fire or mistreat them once they've "given them the chance." Conspiracy theorist in me acting up, that's all.

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[–] Omnipresent 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

There is no list.

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[–] BannedFromVoat_wtf 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

There most certainly are! I recently read of one in the construction trade. A guy was being turned down from job after job. Turns out he was on a 'list'. These lists are oragnized by trade unions to keep dissenters at bay. Why do you think nobody fights against unions?

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[–] FormerlyKnownAsGkar 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I'm pretty sure it's not a direct violation, but I'd still report these asshats to the Texas Department of Labor.

Or maybe I'll figure out the company and let them know I'm reporting them to every IT user group, college career office, hiring agency, and Chamber of Commerce to recommend against applying there or using their services. I mean, if we're going to use blacklisting as a weapon, let's do it right.

Oh, and I'll drop a note to the IRS because who wants to bet that they are absolutely abusing 1099 vs. W2 and probably owe a shedload of back taxes?

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[–] FeelinFroggy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Dang. That's a much better thought-out plan than my reactionary "go in for the interview and punch the guy in the mouth" tactic. I miss being in the tech field, been slow going ever since I punched that one guy in the mouth during an interview. It's rough out there, you know?

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[–] Omnipresent 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

I love your style.

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[–] NedTaggart 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

You know, I work in IT in Austin. The job market isn't that bad. Someone that actually had the type of experience they are requiring would NEVER have to take that job for that pay unless something was wrong with them (asshole, criminal, about to be deported, known SJW, etc).

We recently went through the hiring process for another developer. We interviewed probably 15 people with stellar resumes. The resumes did not hold up to basic scrutiny. Simple things like asking them to explain Class inheritance or to access modifiers.

We have entry level positions as well, but we don't want to have to tell someone how to do something, only what needs to be done. Don't get me wrong, we will help answer questions and suggest better ways to accomplish something, but we don't want to offer on the job training.

We have had situations where we have hired someone with a great resume, but they just couldn't cut it, while at the same time, had interns in for the summer that had NO resume and would kick ass.

Its not that hard to make it in this industry... Just know your shit, don't be a dick, know how to laugh and show up. You would be surprised at how many people are incapable of putting all of that together.

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[–] 5232199 1 points 22 points (+23|-1) ago  (edited ago)

So they want someone with 3+ major certifications and ALL that nonsense in the middle, AND for the person to have an amount of experience totaling x years, where 4/5 < x <= 10 , AND expect whoever ACTUALLY meets ALL of those insane requirements to be happy with "entry-level pay"? And they expect to get 2 such candidates quick enough to have an "immediate start"?

Fuck them. You get what you pay for, and what they are paying for is "random kid who has fixed his family's computer issues via Google searches for a few years".

Hell, most of the "requirements" overlap and make themselves obsolete. If they do actually need two people with all of those skill sets for their current issues, then I can only assume two things:

1, their entire computer network is basically being held together by spaghetti code and bubblegum-wrapper wiring, and is likely to self-destruct if it even looks at an update menu.

2, the company is trying to replace someone really experienced (who may or may not have already left the company) with newer, cheaper hires (especially since this is a "job offer" posting on the local CraigsList).

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[–] Tb0n3 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

You're being paid poorly.

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[–] Mr_Sir 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

How off putting. Imagine working with the person who wrote that job opening.

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[–] NedTaggart 1 points 10 points (+11|-1) ago 

That's my town. They have someone they want to hire, probably on an H1-B visa. They probably have to publically announce this position, knowing no one will accept it.

Ive seen positions advertised that were extremely specialized. Things like you must hold be a licensed financial advisor, with 2 solid years of MVC experience as well as intimate knowledge of IO layer for the Siemens Avanto.

I mean really, how many licensed financial advisors are going to have 2 years MVC experience as well as knowing the inner workings for an MRI machine.

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[–] spookybm 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

H1-Bs cost a company thousands.
I would not be surprised if that company loses a ton of business.

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[–] NedTaggart 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I showed that to a few people here at work. The general consensus is, they either have one specific person they want to hire or they are preying on people here on a H1-B with an EAD. They can quickly move into employment without the company having to file an H1-B petition.

The part that really stands out to me is the comment about the blacklist and the fact that it is a minority-owned business. My immediate thought is that "minority" equates to "immigrant" and they are doing their best to import some type of IT sweatshop.

I worked for a Managed Service Provider in north Austin in the early 2000's. It wasn't owned by a minoroty, but the owner was a big fan of hiring people who had been laid off and on the 6-9 month of searching for a new job. Austin IT jobs were scarce after the dot com bust and he had a target rich environment. Turnover was very high and pay was low, but it was more than unemployment and better than non-IT options.

Desperation is a funny thing. I didn't HATE the job, but I did learn I wanted a Non-IT skill set to fall back on in case it happened again.

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