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[–] toggafreggin ago 

As long as there is money, "they" will psycho their way into controling it, or the people that do control it will epigenetically devolve into "them". There's no escaping it. Nature's way is gift economy. Anyone suggesting anything else is one of "them".

[–] Meme_Factory_1776 [S] ago 

[–] toggafreggin ago 

Exactly. Credit/debit, in particular when combined with incarceration/civilization/domestication/dependence, turns people and animals into whiny psychopathic assholes.

Do you think those animals have been free from human influence for the last 16k years, or weren't able to observe, learn from and eventually mimick, our unnatural behavior?