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[–] theepilepticferret 0 points 35 points 35 points (+35|-0) ago
If only there was some way to treat or even prevent Type 2 Diabetes without resorting to insulin...
[–] SlowResponseTime 0 points 22 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago
The funny part being that if they had rationed/barred sugar (that they are somehow always able to pay for no matter what) from their diet, they wouldn't have to worry about the price of insulin.
[–] vladthehampaler [S] 0 points 14 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago
EXACTLY. it's so expensive because there are so many fat fucks who would rather shoot up insulin than lose fucking weight
[–] mybrotherans 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
This pisses me off so much. A good friend of mine is Type 1, and even with decent insurance, the amount he spends on insulin is crazy.
[–] performance 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Ok yes but then they would've been committing genocide against the corn lobby.
[–] BeQuietandDrive ago
Haha I bet they could even save up some food stamps and trade it with another fatty for some insulin.
[–] ChocoRainVanillaIce 0 points 13 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago
If only there were other ways to increase insulin sensitivity. I swear, most of these type-2s think they can gorge on sweets and conteract it with loads of insulin.
[–] mmmmdonuts ago
This is my old cow worker. She's a fatass with Type 2 (though she swears on her life it's Type 1, even though she just got the beetus in the last 2 years) who eats nothing but garbage. She would shoot up probably about 10x a day. At least 5x when I worked with her, she was always eating throughout the entire shift, and those were only the times I noticed her do it.
So glad I don't work there anymore.
[–] tadiabeteslover ago
It's because doctors have only given generic diet advice. It's easy to say 'eat healthy and lose some weight, do some exercise' but they rarely gave specifics. Mostly this is because their clientele would have freaked out if told they need to eat less than a third of their current diet, but the doctors still failed a little there. To be fair, doctors have only recently started recommending 'keto' or low-carb diets to type 1s as well. Hell, my doctor still hasn't. The closest I ever got was this real fatass of a doctor who needed to take his own advice, who said 50% of a plate should be vegetables, 25% lean meat, and 25% carbs. He said stay away from potatoes, corn, sweet potatoes, and beets because of their high glycemic index, but never recommended overall lowering of carb intake or counting of calories.
I don't know of a single diabetic who wouldn't benefit from lowering their carb (sugar) intake, and thus their intake of insulin. Some of my other comments here went into those a bit deeper.
[–] zaimenellen 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
We need to teach in school the basic of nutrition.It's not so difficult.
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[–] BeetusChristFUPAStar 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Yep, when I was studying in the late 80s/early 90s Type 2 was called adult onset diabetes.
[–] MaxRockinDankSeed 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
It's just good old-fashioned greed. This shit fucks over lots of type 1 diabetics who never got fat, just got bad luck.
[–] R34p_Th3_Wh0r1w1nd 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago (edited ago)
I know a type 1. $2000 a month for him to stay alive.
[–] tadiabeteslover 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Like @cyclops1771 said, use generics, try to order from online pharmacies (look around, there's some information out there about where you can find cheaper insulin prices) that take advantage of other countries' medicines being subsidized and such.
However, I'm trying to imagine needing 3-6 bottles of insulin a month (Even the most expensive bottles I know of are only $600, and they have very similar types of insulin-action brands for half that or cheaper.) Typical bottles have 1000 'units' of insulin. Unless he's got some serious fat boy problems as well, and has the accompanying insulin resistance associated with fat, he would likely have a insulin/carb ratio of 1unit/6grams. Even that is ridiculously low. The majority need 1 unit of insulin per 8-15 grams of carbs.
Let me break this down to show you why I'm a little mystified. 3 bottles of the expensive insulin = 3000 units of insulin. That's 100 units a day. If he's not a fatass, and not eating himself to death, I'd assume a diet/resting-rate-insulin ratio of 1-1 or 2-1. Let's assume a 1-1 ration to make it as if your friend isn't eating himself to death. That's 50 units of insulin dedicated to dealing with his diet. Assuming that worst case scenario of 1 unit of insulin to 6 grams of carbs, that means your friend is eating freaking 300 grams of carbohydrates a day! What the fuck?! Cut back on the sugar, fatass! It gets worse if we assume either the more normal 1 unit of insulin to every 8-15 grams of carbs, or a 2-1 dietary-insulin-need/resting-insulin-need.
[–] pinklb_q ago
I second this! It’s too true. I have to deal with the insulin for someone and when the blood sugar is within normal level, it’s literally 36 units a day. 8 per meal. And if the blood sugar is high, we don’t add more insulin. We go out and do some exercise and get it back down to normal levels so we can just use that same 8 unita before a meal.
[–] cyclops1771 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Needs to switch back to old school vials and syringes over the pens so they can use generics.
[–] DakotaJane 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
there are over 5 million type 1 diabetics in the United States. (That's "childhood diabetes" - people who got it from other than being fatties.)
Those people are paying $1000 a month to stay alive. That insulin works out to about $40,000 a pound. Doesn't seem right does it.
[–] tadiabeteslover 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Honestly, most Type 1 diabetics need to switch diets as well. Insulin usage is tied very closely to carbohydrate intake. Some insulin goes to deal with the steady release/breakdown of glycogen in the liver (the reason for which is because the system is a reverse-feedback system where the glycogen stops being broken down when the body naturally produces insulin. In Type 1s, there is no more natural production, so the body is constantly breaking down glycogen into sugar and releasing it, so a small steady amount of insulin is needed to keep blood sugars stable, even when not eating.) The rest of the need for insulin is to deal with incoming sugars (carbohydrates) in your meals. The endocrinologists will tell you that the ratio of insulin taken for food compared to insulin take for the glycogen release should be around 50-50 or up to 2-1.
That's on a typical Western, high-carb diet though. I've had success in switching to a 'keto' or low-carb diet, and only have to take a very small amount of insulin when I eat. So I've cut my insulin usage by around 60%. I think saving ~$600 a month is possible for the majority of diabetics. Even with the bullshit 'eating healthy is expensive' line that gets tossed around, I think for $600 a month you can afford some more vegetables and less rice/pasta/bread/cakes/pies/donuts/snacks.
[–] wanderingblade 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yes it does. It's a complex protein that has to be made in vivo, although bacterial systems can be used its still a matter of biomass and still getting functioning protein. They used to take pig pancreases for it. If you think $40,000 a pound for protein is bad lol. You should see scientific supply catalogs. Obviously more esoteric proteins but try more like $40,000 for 10mg
[–] Annoyingaardbei ago
That's sickening.
[–] enginedriver13 0 points 5 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago
Hmm...or maybe fatty could drop some of the candy, white bread, Pepsi, Starbeetus and the insulin would be more affordable--in fact, maybe she wouldn't need to buy it at all!
(Type 2's can pretty much all go to hell AFAIC).
[–] tadiabeteslover 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
There's a few Type 2s out there, like my neighbor when I was a kid (He was 6'2, maybe 150 lbs), who are absolutely screwed by the bullshit choose-to-be-diabetics that are clogging the endocrinologists' offices right now. I wish x1000 that we could legally discriminate against people who are so fat that they've sickened themselves.