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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 5 points 165 points (+170|-5) ago 

I may be an old stickler but I really don't feel like we should be a community that victimises children who have no control over what their parents feed them. Sure, teenagers but not young children (like a post that was put up recently).

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[–] runsforfun 2 points 69 points (+71|-2) ago 

I agree, young children can't help it if they are forced to eat fast food for most of their meals or get yelled at by their parents for looking too skinny or not finishing their heaping plate of fried chicken

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[–] PixelPerfect 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Actually, I'm still working off exactly that. I've been ~150 since I was 11 It's been 6 years and I've grown nearly a foot.

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 4 points 74 points (+78|-4) ago 

Alright fair enough I can understand the reasoning. Maybe it would be easier to just carry on enforcing the same rules as we had before? Personally I just think it would be a misstep for our community if we start applying the same standards of health to children who have no say in their diets. But maybe people disagree with me there.

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[–] honormyacanthosis 8 points 54 points (+62|-8) ago 

18+ is a definitive line, not a slippery slope. Fatties get the "my parents" excuse until it promptly expires at age 18.

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[–] Manowarthog 2 points 30 points (+32|-2) ago 

There is no slippery slope. 18 is a bright line and yes people are free to downvote. The impending spectacle of seeing a bunch of adults go full retard on children is simply going to demonstrate that Reddit may have had a point.

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[–] MeanwhileAfrica 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

Fatshaming children is ethical and necessary. To allow children to get fat and think it is ok is child abuse. I am entirely against hating children for being victims in child abuse in this way. I love children, and that it is why I want to show them not hate, but tough love, to give them a physically and mentally helpful beginning to their life. As I said in another reply, you don't get to make excuses once you hit the teenage years, teenagers have the capability to think independently. Hating children 12 and under for being fat is unproductive and honestly, fairly shitty.

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[–] todbert 4 points 20 points (+24|-4) ago  (edited ago)

I agree with you on this. I won't sympathize with the children if that's what the rules say but I won't condone fat shaming a child who has no control over their diet. If the child fat hate gets out of hand I may leave the sub completely (I will miss it though).

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[–] ViolentlyMasticates 1 points 14 points (+15|-1) ago 

I agree with you. I would be ok with a picture/video of a fat parent with a fat child, showing child abuse and then admonishing the parent, but not just the child itself. There have been many cases of children turning their lives around after leaving food abusive homes.

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[–] ihaveabulldoge 2 points 16 points (+18|-2) ago 

Just don't participate. I won't be super vitriolic towards fatty fucking kids, but then again, I won't defend them either. I take a neutral stance on it. Like if I see a teen crying over not getting 3 scoops of icecream, I will blast away. If it's a morbidly obese toddler, I'll be pissed at the gravy sloshing enabler "parent"

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[–] Skinny_McJiggles 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Totally agree with this. The new rule just says that it's no longer off-limits, but just like each shitlord takes it upon himself to watch what goes in his/her mouth, we set our own limits of what's palatable and what's not. If someone posts a pic of a fat kid that you find questionable/objectionable -- just remember to "keep the peace" and downvoat as you have the right to do.

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[–] HorsesHateHams 1 points 63 points (+64|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Being a formerly fat child, now an athletic and stretch-marked runner, I feel sympathetic for fat children because I know how helpless I felt as my weight increased and my classmates became less and less friendly to me.

However, I began dieting at the age of 12, so I know that young children do have the faculties to understand how to lose weight. So I'm okay with fat shaming older children (10 yrs +), but younger children are often unaware of their poor diet causing their body to look the way it does.

Plus, all children are under the control of their parents, and if a child wants to diet and exercise but their parents don't allow them to do so, then the child isn't really at fault. Of course, the child could simply eat less of whatever shit food their family eats, but that is considerably harder than dieting with access to healthy, filling food.

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[–] FitMachoNaziAtheist 3 points 4 points (+7|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Went back to reddit, voat is no different.

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[–] BloodTypeRagu 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Furthermore, <10 y/o don't browse this forum. Adults do.

Best point in this thread so far. You can't fat shame a kid who doesn't know you exist.

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[–] The_White_Baron 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You are absolutely correct that children have the faculties to understand. I was 10 years old and frequently got chastised for not finishing my (too large) dinner. I was smart enough to know not to eat if I wasn't hungry.

Children aren't powerless entities whose parents force feed them.

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[–] SexyWhiteDemoman 1 points 13 points (+14|-1) ago 

I do have a question concerning this part though

Likewise, voicing your sympathy for fat children is against the rules and will result in a ban

Does stuff like what @HorsesHateHams and @Hammersmithandwitty are saying in this thread count against this rule? Asking mostly just for clarification. Also, If I made a post that had a picture of a fat kid and said something along the lines of "This poor kid has no control over what his parents feed him, they should be prosecuted for child abuse" Would that violate the rule?

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[–] Mr-Snrub 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Subreddit? :)

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[–] HorsesHateHams 1 points 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

Yep, I agree. I prefer the non-legislation approach as well.

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[–] honormyacanthosis 9 points 52 points (+61|-9) ago 

This is an issue that could cause me to leave FPH. I'm not interested in bullying children or seeing other people do it. Could we put it to a vote to see how the community feels about the 18+ rule?

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[–] Hammersmithandwitty 3 points 31 points (+34|-3) ago 

I completely agree, we should put it to a vote.

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[–] ChildrenToSpare 3 points 23 points (+26|-3) ago 

Put it to a voat

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[–] trauma 2 points 24 points (+26|-2) ago 

Same. I hate seeing fat kids, but not in the same sense that I hate fat adults. I hate seeing fat kids because I know there are adults around them who let them get that way.

And the way mods are approaching it is hypocritical: They acknowledge that fat minors are most likely fat because they're under their parents' supervision, but if you recognize that fact it'll be seen as "fat sympathy" and you'll be banned. A fat 30 year old has control of what food they put into their bodies, fat 14 year olds don't buy the groceries or choose when/where to eat out.

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[–] OPNAV6110 2 points 18 points (+20|-2) ago 

Agreed. I'm down for hating on fat fuck adults all day. But posting pictures of kids is just creepy.

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[–] honormyacanthosis 3 points 36 points (+39|-3) ago 

I don't think you can say you don't want to limit discourse right underneath "Likewise, voicing your sympathy for fat children is against the rules and will result in a ban."

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[–] LeanMeanShitQueen 1 points 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

My sentiments exactly. Even back at Redshit, there were things I saw on FPH that I didn't agree with, but I simply downvoted and moved on. Every opinion and voice shold be welcome--even if we don't agree with it.

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[–] LieutenantKekkers 4 points 40 points (+44|-4) ago 

I think this is a mistake. Making fun of children is not cool. We don't want to give people a legitimate reason to look down on shitlords (aside from fatties of course)

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[–] Duress56 3 points 0 points (+3|-3) ago 

I think what the mods mean is just they would let the posts with the children stay..

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[–] FatEqualsGluttony 4 points 36 points (+40|-4) ago 

Making fun of actual children is the type of cruelty and immaturity that fat fucks like to do. I thought that we shitlords were better than butter huffers.

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[–] Captain_Trips 4 points 31 points (+35|-4) ago 

All of the comments posted so far (except one) are critical of this change.

Seems like the mods want this, but the users don't.

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[–] The_White_Baron 6 points 0 points (+6|-6) ago 

Don't listen to that comment. voat makes it so if you don't have over 100 comment karma you can't vote, so the only votes we're seeing are upvotes. I fully support this change, and many other users do as well. I'd be downvoting the criticisms if I could

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[–] nutsofsteel 3 points 30 points (+33|-3) ago  (edited ago)

Come on, mods. As much of a shitlord as I am, I don't believe that we should be shaming minors who have little to no control of what their obeast parents might feed them. These children also have very little knowledge about health and nutrition while also being forced to sit inside school all day without recess. and health and nutrition is something that just isn't taught very well in elementary/middle school. Many don't have a membership to a gym (and can't purchase one; most of the time you can't purchase a gym membership until you're 18+.)

As others have said, I feel like this is a change that the mods want, and not necessarily the majority of the community. I personally believe that we should have a vote on the subject. At the very least, if you're going to keep this rule, I think that you should have a rule note stating something like "While posting pictures of minors is not a bannable offense, it is not encouraged."

I personally don't want to be a part of a community that makes fun of children, but if that's how it's going to be, I'll just have to get over it I guess.

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[–] skinnybitches 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Yeah, there was a post on the other fph awhile back about a user buying a bike for a fat kid and the mother tossing it. He really wanted to be active like the other kids but his mother discouraged physical activity and encouraged eating until the plate was empty. I think that it should be voated on but if we must have this, then children under 12 should be blurred.

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[–] Duress56 2 points 1 points (+3|-2) ago 

There will be no shaming of minors. From how I understand it, the mods would just let those kinds of posts stay up, if you want to "bully" the kid, it's totally up to you as the user.

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[–] fullnerd 2 points 23 points (+25|-2) ago 

I see where you're coming from with the freedom of speech angle. It's a really difficult decision. Also keep in mind that it's your sub. You can have the final say or you can put it to a vote. This isn't a country full of people, it's an online community that you control.

Saying that banning photo's of kids is a slippery slope to the message is one thing, but having kids in here, without some form of protection for the kids, reflects badly and puts us on the low road.

By all means don't ban the posts, we have the ability to not vote for them or get involved and downvote them. But try and remember when posting, that kids don't have the mental faculties that adults have, make sure they are a complete cunt because you could be adding fuel to a dangerous concoction of hormones.

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