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[–] PleaseDontEatMe 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm going to address this:

"After accounting for baseline difference the study found that, on average, those who faced fat shaming gained a kilogram, while those who didn’t lost 0.7 kilos. See how that worked? Shaming = weight gain / no shaming = weight loss."

Reading the study... (And please note that I have done statistics courses and know how to read scientific papers with a critical eye. You can never just accept that what a study says is true, you have to always question it, that's what science is about. You don't need to be an expert to question the experts, that's why scientific papers are written the way that they are).

"Questions on perceived discrimination were based on items developed and used widely in other longitudinal studies"

So the discrimination reporting is purely subjective, and not an objective measurement. There is a lot of room for error with the questions, especially ones like (5) you receive poorer service or treatment than other people from doctors or hospitals. How the hell would you know how others are treated in a doctors office, when it's a private discussion? Do you judge that based on how other people talk about their experiences? Or what you assume other people go through in the doctor's office? And how do you know your doctor isn't just an asshole to everyone, and other people have better doctors? Subjective questionnaires and self-reporting can never be an accurate measurement of reality - just look at studies of fatties who self-report their calorie intake compared to when they are objectively measured. They under report their eating and over report their exercise. So basically this study is saying "It doesn't matter whether they WERE discriminated against or not, only that they PERCEIVED there to be discrimination". Which means they aren't really measuring 'fat shaming' behaviour as much as they are measuring the projections of the participants on day to day situations.

This is an important distinction. Because 'perceived weight discrimination' is far different from actual weight discrimination. For example, someone could be talking about something completely unrelated, yet fatty hears a trigger word and immediately jumps to the conclusion that they must be being fat shamed, and therefore engage in fee fee eating. This is more a reflection of the person's own insecurities and how their insecurities affect their weight gain or loss than it is anything about 'discrimination'.

Here is something in their discussion that brings into question the validity of the entire study:

We cannot be sure whether discrimination preceded weight gain or vice versa. It is therefore not possible to establish causal relationships; i.e. whether people gain weight as a consequence of experiencing weight discrimination, or whether gaining weight makes people more likely to experience weight discrimination or attribute experiences of discrimination to their weight.

So basically, they cannot even say whether perceived discrimination causes weight gain or whether the fact the person is fat causes an increase in perceived discrimination. Yet people, like this idiot author, are picking up this study as 'proof' that discriminashuns cause people to get fatter. They probably read the brief conclusion of the study and didn't actually read the entire study at all. Because if you saw this little bit of info in it, then you CANNOT reasonably argue that discrimination causes weight gain. There is a correlation but you don't know which comes first, therefore you cannot come to any conclusions about it, except the ones that fit the narrative you're trying to push. Even after recognising that their study was so flawed as to not even be able to tell which way the correlation swings, they still reached this baffling conclusion.

The results of this study provide evidence that weight discrimination is associated with significant increases in body weight and waist circumference over time.

The best they can say is 'provide evidence' and not even that is really, honestly true. Yes, it provides evidence, but depending on which way you look at it, it can also just provide evidence that fat people just have self-esteem issues and are more likely to perceive discrimination toward them in ordinary situations where no discrimination is occurring.

I bet if they asked questions like, "My friends regularly state that I'm fat to my face" or "People on the street tell me to eat less because I'm too big", there would be significantly less discrimination being reported, as opposed to "I am treated poorer by society than other people" or whatever fucking vague questions they were using.

Anyway if anyone bothered to read this post hope it got you thinking about how to deconstruct fatty studies.


[–] nerfthis [S] ago 

Nice analysis, people always use these inconclusive studies for whatever suites their agenda. That’s basically the whole FA movement with any of their talking points.