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[–] purplescooter 16 points 115 points (+131|-16) ago 

Because churches never want to address issues if there's the slightest chance the believers won't like it. They never do that. Christianity, as many other religions, is based on hypocrisy, feeling as though you're pure and holy and better than the others, focusing only on the things you do right - praying, believing in God - instead of questioning your actions.

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[–] shiznitleader 2 points 35 points (+37|-2) ago 

You are right about most churches being that way. It is true. But Jesus focused on the things people did wrong, and he called them out on it, just like a good church does. These NeoEvangelical ear tickling churches are garbage. I prefer a hardcore baptist church that preaches hard on all sin, including gluttony. My pastor shitlords hard on people, even though many are fat. He calls people out just about every Sunday, for tattoos, drinking, gambling, adultery, fornication, pride, and yes, sometimes gluttony.

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[–] ForgotMyName 0 points 28 points (+28|-0) ago 

Part of the problem with that though is that it tends to breed a judgmental church body. There is an extremely fine line between holding each other accountable and riding around on your high horse. It is not an easy line to walk. In general I have seen a lot more haughtiness than I have truly compassionate correction.

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[–] AichSmize 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Jesus - the man, the real, historical Jesus, as described in the Bible - would be supremely unwelcome at most Christian churches.

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[–] Swole_is_life 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

(I think it was) Gandhi who said it best: "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians."

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[–] supernatendo 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago 

I cannot upvoat this enough.

They like to focus on things that are relatively easier for the majority to accept. It's why there's a massive push to keep lgbtq lifestyle folks stigmatized. If you are born straight, you have no problem abstaining from gay sex as it comes naturally to you to not be attracted to the opposite sex. If you are born gay you don't make up more than 50% of the population, so the churches stigmatize you to make them feel better about not being gay, even if you sin in a multitude of other ways, adultery, lying, stealing, gluttony, laziness, tattoos, etc... you can make yourself feel better thinking, "at least I'm not gay!"

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[–] Ghetto_Shitlord 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Wow, exactly why I left the church as soon as I could, and am now an atheist. Not the rub I tin your face kind, the believe whatever you want kind. Let people have it if they want it. That being said, the number one driver was the hypocrisy. You out shaking the booty and hooking up on sat nite, then in church sunday preofessing against that? Fuck outta here with that bullshit.

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[–] Swole_is_life 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I hate it when sermons drone on about sexual immorality (super popular topic) and ignore things like obesity and greed.

They know most of the congregation is either behaving themselves sex-wise (e.g. no adultery) or at least hiding it well. But there's no hiding that fupa or the massive addition on your house, so sermons tend to avoid those topics.

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[–] peripatetic 0 points 66 points (+66|-0) ago 

I brought that up to a religious acquaintance of mine. She asked why I hate fat people so much. Now, I'm not a religious person at all, but I felt that she'd understand better if I'd use something she can relate to. I told her that a fat is much more than just fat. It's a whole lifestyle filled with gluttony, laziness, greed and even envy. While she didn't reply anything back, I feel like I planted a little fat hate seed in her mind. Only time will tell if it will be growing into a wonderful fat hate tree.

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[–] BlackThornOfLove 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Proverbs 23: 2 I believe is the one that says if you succumb to gluttony, put a knife to your throat. There are more scripture I don't know, but the Bible clearly outline over eating and gluttony as bad.

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[–] Seeker74 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

We're rooting for you shitlady.

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[–] AmethystLullaby 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Talking about feel good topics bring more donations in than the controversial discussions.

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[–] Unsung_Heroes_again 1 points 23 points (+24|-1) ago 

Cause then sheep will find a new shepherd.

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[–] jennyanydots817 3 points 13 points (+16|-3) ago 

Yep. Can't alienate sheep who pay money to hear about how holy they are.

Plus, going by the general American population, there are more fat shepherds than human ones -- they aren't going to preach something that will make themselves** look bad.

Never underestimate the hypocrisy of organized religion.

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[–] AichSmize 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

there are more fat shepherds than human ones

Watch the movie Jesus Camp. There's one scene where the grossly obese leader is ranting on "fat Christians". I lol'ed hard.

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[–] TheEnglishShitlord 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

pay money

I've been going to church most of my life.... who the hell pays?

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[–] shiznitleader 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Amen. That's why I love old school fundamentalist baptist churches. The pastor never fails to rip into the flock for their sin, and they are thankful for it and try to be better. That is real Christianity, not this new age inclusive crap. God gets angry. God can hate you. God does punish the wicked

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[–] airfish 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I really fucking hate prosperity theology. Basically, they're preaching that the more you love God and the more you give to the church, the more money you will get. It's just straight up greed (on both sides). John Oliver did a great satire of it with "Our Lady of Perpetual Exemption".

Ted Cruz's wingnut father also preaches a version of it: he says that god will punish the wicked and give their money to the holy; he believes that Ted Cruz is the "annoited king" and a Cruz presidency would be the start of it. And that's about the only reason I'm glad Trump got the nomination.

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[–] ShitArchon 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Holy shit, I never knew anyone on here liked IFB churches. You realize they statistically have higher obesity rates than other denominations?

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[–] sh1tl0rd_of_ac1d 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

sounds kind of like ... TUMBLR.

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[–] crashtestgenius 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'd have thought the Catholic Church especially would be using the second one.

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[–] ourgalfriday 5 points 9 points (+14|-5) ago 

The same reason that homosexuality is so disproportionately condemned. They aren't trying to read the Bible and do as Jesus would have done - they are trying to appeal to the fat, complacent heterosexuals who sup at their trough.

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[–] UnionJacqueline 3 points 12 points (+15|-3) ago  (edited ago)

I think you're on to something there. The educated "liberal élite" live in cities and are, as a whole, thinner than their less-educated, rural counterparts. Consequently, thin is associated with "leftist" values and lifestyle (it's no coincidence that so many fats automatically assign "immoral" attributes to thin women: thin women are "sluts", or gold-diggers, or airheads who use their bodies to get ahead professionally rather than their brains). They think we skinny folks are inherently narcissistic and care only about our appearance (vanity is a sin, after all).

In general, the less educated you are, the more likely you are to be overweight or obese. You're also more likely to live in rural areas where religion is more influential. As a result, "fat" is associated with the conservative religious right:

But a potentially larger crisis is looming in the pews of churches across America. In fact, statistics suggest that the church today may indeed be in worse condition than the general population. A 2006 Purdue study found that the fundamental Christians are by far the heaviest of all religious groups led by the Baptists with a 30% obesity rate compared with Jews at 1%, Buddhists and Hindus at 0.7%.

So body weight is just one way the right-left divide manifests itself in the U.S.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/06/03/obesity-epidemic-in-america-churches.html <--- This was the first hit I came across when I googled; I don't visit foxnews as a general rule

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[–] crashtestgenius 1 points 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

I would argue that it manifests itself on authoritarian/libertarian lines, which traditionally would fall on the lines you're talking about but don't anymore, with the authoritarian left taking the center stage with the Democrats (Hillary) and her campaign being largely supported by SJWs, which as we know are almost without exception obese pigs.

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[–] fryabeetus 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

Oh no! You pissed off some rednecks with facts and they downvoted you!

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[–] Skinnyincbus 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Then explain trigglypuffs. Its not like an isolated thing.

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[–] KingdomN 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

I'm currently in training to become a Catholic priest, and I can promise you that once I'm done, there will be sermons at my church calling people to convert from the sin of gluttony. Especially considering that Christianity has a loooooong history of fasting, self-denial, and voluntary penance, I think it is super important to regularly deny yourself food in order to be a good Christian.

A lot of Catholic priests already touch on this, as the season of Lent is yearly period where just about everybody gives something up. Most just do it without putting too much thought or effort into it - I want to inspire people to go hardcore.

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