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[–] myvoicefromhell 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Subscribe to this channel. Lots of situations about just how fast things go down and mistakes people regularly make when faced with violence. https://youtu.be/5uWUEq01Vbs

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[–] marvinrabbit 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You always need to remember that there is rarely an absolute answer on points of law. Two identical scenarios can play out completely different depending on a lot of things.

Is the sheriff or chief of police rabidly anti-gun (or at least citizens use of guns)? You may be arrested and then have to fight it out in the system. While a chief with a more favorable outlook might decide you seem to have acted justifiably and let you go home.

Regardless of what happens at the scene, the prosecutor may or may not file charges. The prosecutor's job isn't to seek justice. The prosecutor's job is to prosecute. If the prosecutor believes there is a good chance of conviction, you could face charges. Then you need to defend yourself and make a jury decide what "justice" is in this case.

Are you a tatted up biker that a jury would love to convict? Charges. Are you a 70 year old grandmother who was just looking to protect herself and stepped in when someone needed help and besides, no one would ever convict Mabel? No charges.

I'm not saying this is good, but it's the way it works in real life.

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[–] drakesdoom 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

My understanding of most American law is you can use deadly force if someone is being attack with a weapon or raped. If that situation arises my suggestion is get as many rounds in the criminals as you can before they hit the floor. They can't surrender if they are already dead.

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[–] go1dfish 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

So you mean like this? : https://gfycat.com/LivelySlipperyAsianwaterbuffalo

That happened in Brazil I think.

I'm not a lawyer, but if you did that in the US you might open yourself up to liability.

Everything I've heard is that if you are drawing your firearm in the US you are drawing with intention to use deadly force, anything else is illegal.

Guy in the video is an off duty cop, if you were a US citizen in that situation you would be more legally justified to shoot the guy than to brandish like that guy did.

Even if you have good justification to fear for your own life and draw without firing you could be in deep shit:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/jul/8/michael-strickland-conservative-blogger-arrested-a/

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[–] Camamoow [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yea, I have heard that "warning shots" (AKA shooting in the air or at the ground) is very bad because it indicates that you were not in fear for your life or the life of others, otherwise you would have shot at them and not in the air.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Also why did I get hit by your "warning shot" three blocks away? Now I'm paralyzed for life because you used deadly force inappropriately.

You're responsible for every round you fire, and every single body you permanently damage.

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[–] Plavonica 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Fuck that's retarded. Goddamned lawyers ruin everything.

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 1 points 1 points (+2|-1) ago 

I'd shoot the theatre shooter to save on the court costs of prosecuting his ass and I'd disarm the knife wielder unless he got all stab by.

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[–] Camamoow [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It'd be really tough to not shoot the theatre shooter... Imagine if he just shot your wife / girlfriend. Then just tried to surrender right away.

Legally, you'd have to just "arrest" him and wait until police arrive. You wouldn't be legally justified in killing him. And if you did kill him, then you'd go to court.

I agree if it's a knife wielder I would draw, and demand he drop the knife, if he makes any jerky or sudden movements, then I'd fire.

But, what if It were a gun wielder, would you immediately shoot, or demand he drop his weapon first?

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Yep, I'd fire on the gunman the first moment I got for the very act of brandishing a firearm during a robbery implies deadly force

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Dead men can't testify, shoot to kill

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Cool second degree murder, bro. Wanna hang out in the yard after head count?

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[–] Hey_Sunshine 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Only if I let my court appointed lawyer fuck me all the way to the yard. nah nah nah see I want 12 man jury. The trial to take place in the community I defended on the fateful day that the deceased tried to massacre/rob, to be concluded in 90 days and I would make a compelling case to a jury of my peers based upon facts, reason and logic

Knowing my luck, you'd be there in the juror box

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Let's say I am in line for groceries and the guy 4 people ahead of me pulls out a knife or gun and starts demanding money from the cashier.

Am I at the moment able to draw and shoot him? Without saying anything, just pop-pop?

Yes, pop pop, protection of another (if such is allowed in your state). Knife is deadly force, you can use up to deadly force to stop it.

Regardless of the outcome of a future trial, the cops can totally arrest you in the meantime and take your guns for a long time while it all gets sorted out. That's just the reality of the situation.

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[–] Kal 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

If anyone from the licensing board saw you posting this question you wouldn't be getting one in the first place.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah, I hate it when people try to be responsible and learn the requirements for things....

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[–] Kal 1 points -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Dude wants to be Clint Eastwood out there.