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[–] bb22 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Here's the video for reference (I haven't got a chance to watch it yet and honestly I have yet to find a single researcher with whom I agree about everything, for one reason or another): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li7Ch6ggI_Q

I have the same interest in studying Chinese and Japanese history to see how these things compare, and also Indian history, but the language barrier is a problem for me. In the case of Indian history, there are already books you can buy on Amazon, independent of the other authors I've mentioned here, where Indian historians are proposing that Indian chronology has been manipulated and does not make sense. I guess I should relocate this kind of material and add it to the other authors here. There are a lot of ancient sites in India that either aren't accounted for in the historical record, or the accounts given to them make little sense, though Indian history isn't my forte. I can post pictures of them though, so you can get an idea as to how magnificent some of these ancient baths and temples were. They put the Taj Mahal to shame and are decorated in what looks like Hindu iconography and architecture.

Take a wild guess as to who is accused of altering Indian history and when, by the Indian author (I will find his name and works in my bookmarks later).

When you correctly identify who he blames for this, ask yourself what these people are also known to have done to China.

In the case of Japan, we know that the Japanese were able to successfully repel European interference for a longer period of time, and once they were finally defeated and forced to open to the western world, they were able to take our technology and quickly close the gap, being able to once again defend their interests. So Japan would be a particularly interesting case to consider. Can you read Japanese by chance, or think you might be able to navigate their traditional histories in the original documents somehow?

There are some videos on the "New Earth" channel which don't answer any questions, but do a good job at raising lots of them, including about the Great Wall of China which actually had doors built into it on both sides. There are also sections of the wall which have apparently been rebuilt or are completely new and deviate from the original sections of wall. And then of course we have lots of massive mounds in China similar to the ones found in North America and various parts of Europe, which the Chinese government doesn't talk about but presumably belong to some little-known pre-historic civilization.

I have looked a little bit into very old Japanese folklore and there are some interesting things in there regardless of what chronology they are assigned. For one thing their ancestors seem to have included Caucasians and there also seems to be some awareness of this even among the Japanese, and the Ainu are often cited as an example of a native people who exhibit more signs of this than the rest of the population. There are also some traditional Japanese ceremonies/rituals that are reminiscent of Egyptian or maybe some ancient Middle Eastern culture, and then there's this: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/49ufo_files/03files2/1803_Japan_Utsuro_Bune.html


Okay, I think this was the Indian author I had found before: Raja Ram Mohan Roy

"India before Alexander: A New Chronology" by Raja Ram Mohan Roy. (Amazon links are apparently blocked.)

Since India as we know it today was, by their own account, founded by a bunch of white Aryans who invaded some time in the distant past (the date of which is also heavily disputed), Indian history would probably be the most practical way for us to broach the topic of conventional Chinese chronology, without being able to speak or read the historical Chinese languages. Even Sanskrit, as an Indo-European language with some pretty heavy affinities with Latin (which is anachronistic in itself) would be easier to learn for me than Chinese, let alone ancient Chinese.

From this guy's book description:

The chronology of Indian history rests on two sheet anchors. The first sheet anchor is the identification of Sandrokottos of the Greek accounts with Chandragupta Maurya, the founder of the Mauryan Dynasty. Sandrokottos was the contemporary of Alexander the Great. The second sheet anchor is linking Devānāmpriya Priyadarśī with Aśoka Maurya, the grandson of Chandragupta Maurya. Devānāmpriya Priyadarśī mentions five Greek kings in his inscriptions, one of them being Antiyoka, who is currently identified as Antiochus II. According to native historians Sandrokottos is Chandragupta I of the Imperial Gupta Dynasty, and not Chandragupta Maurya. However, a satisfactory alternative explanation for the mention of Greek kings by Devānāmpriya Priyadarśī has not been presented by anyone yet. In this pioneering book, Dr. Raja Ram Mohan Roy presents a comprehensive analysis of the data and proposes that Devānāmpriya Priyadarśī was none other than Kumāragupta I. This never before proposed identification of Devānāmpriya Priyadarśī opens the door for developing a new chronological framework for Indian history.

These people are still dealing with the effects of colonialism on their identity and understanding of their own history.

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[–] WhiteRonin [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

That’s part 1 that I watched. I have trouble with his assumption that an “i” and a dot used in place of a comma is proof. Part 2, he follows a Finnish and uses sketchy ancient history to prove his point. Maybe the rest of his series will have some gold. Right now I’m coming up with just house dust.

I am almost native in japanese but reading is only fluent. Ancient Japanese is whacked! It’s a different language and translating to English is a huge pain.

The Japanese history is well laid out and is portrayed over the decades so it’s hard to fudge. Mother article was fun!

Part of it references Yoniguni (under water pyramid) and there is a Devil’s Triangle off Japan. So UFOs wouldn’t be that strange if true. The woman with box reminds me the story of Japan’s version of Rip Van Winkle and how they go off to another location to come back old and all friends are dead. The box wood match the treasure.

Japan also has a story that Jesus is buried there along the northern coast of the main island.

Yes, once Japan entered the Tokugawa era, the country went into lock down and all Jesuits got their ass kicked. So Christians went under ground.

I actually knew a few Ainu. I have done the museum thing too. Ainu religion and clothing is very Weatern New York Indian. The homes too. But! They are hairy while the Japanese don’t have much body hair like American Indians (I grew up next to the reservation and learned some of their lore).

Japan is big on ghosts, power spots, demons/spirits and they have an odd love of out of place artifacts. However, over 2 decades following this stuff, I never came across the time warp issue. You are the first to bring it to my attention.

Japan does hide their association to China and Mongolia. The Japanese have a blue birth mark on their rumps like Mongolians and they try their best to make their Emperornof 1 blood line which even their history and stories clearly state that adoption happened readily and planting an outside governing families child on the throne wasn’t uncommon. The kid obviously gets the emperor’s family name. The emperor has been a figure head for over 2,000 years. He holds on power in his palace.

India would definitely be a good research subject. Their Indus civilization is ancient and they also have cities under water and tales of ananaki like space warfare. The Arian race does still exist up in the mountains near Afghanistan. But they are said to be decedents of Alexander and his army which would make sense if they crossed into China too. China is a very wide mix of races and the Han Chinese are rather new.

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[–] bb22 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I know the Fomenko videos are in Russian with only English subtitles, so they may not be the most convenient thing to listen to during a car ride, but I think Fomenko's approach as a mathematician is the most solid proof of manipulation. His original problem was that he came across a paper from a NASA scientist hypothesizing that some unknown celestial body had acted upon the Moon to slow it down in its orbit, and then accelerate it again back to its original rotation, all within the past 2000 years and without causing any catastrophic changes on Earth. The reason for this scientist's theory? Computer models of lunar rotation, when extended backwards into time, disprove the "ancient" Ptolemy's astronomical data. Fomenko read this paper and rather than assuming such an absurd thing happened to the Moon, he started with the premise that Ptolemy was just wrong. It was in doing research along those lines that he discovered (a) Ptolemy's data accurately fits into the medieval period, and (B) another Russian scholar named Mazarov had already discovered this decades before Fomenko had.

Fomenko gets around later to mentioning the "i" and "j" in place of the numeral 1 in various primary sources, but he doesn't use that as his main focus. His main focus is on the statistical methods he developed for analyzing the content of primary source documents, both by quantifying the amount of text dedicated to different subjects in a sequence, as well as analyzing the numerical data in the sources, especially reign lengths of kings and intervals of time between other significant events. When these analyses turn up matches between periods of history that are supposed to be unrelated, then he goes and looks into those different histories and compares them in more detail. In his mathematical models there is an order of magnitude difference between when time lines match each other versus when they do not, so it's fairly clear-cut.

The result he's left with, as he tries to reconstruct a chronology, is a lot more complicated than just slapping a "1" on the front of the year. There is actually no single historical source that was used for Scaliger's chronology in the 1500's, so it's more like a giant mess of different time lines.

These charts from his books give an idea as to how complicated these get:

http://chronologia.org/en/en_history/im/fig-1b.gif http://menace-theoriste.fr/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Fomenko-fig-6.gif https://malagabay.files.wordpress.com/2015/11/aegean-tree-ring-chronology-1994.gif <-- This shows how many gaps there are in the dendochronological record used as calibration for carbon dating. http://chronologia.org/en/en_history/im/fig-4b.gif http://alt.geschichte-chronologie.de/l2-wahl/l2-autoren/l3-alle/2.jpg <-- 3rd Roman Empire vs. Holy Roman Empire 10-13th C. https://s4.postimg.org/sc3grzxq5/vez8.jpg <--- Graffiti preserved after the "ancient" eruption of Mt. Vesuvius which appears to show Roman gladiators in medieval armor. His first volume shows a related comparison of a sequence of rulers, in which there is a parallel eruption of Mt. Vesuvius on both timelines. There are also references to Roman consuls during the medieval (imperial) period, just as in the "ancient" Roman Republic, but their names are conveniently lost (would they have reflected the names of their ancient counterparts?).

I don't agree with everything Fomenko says though. He isn't a catastrophist, for example, so he doesn't believe there was any pre-historic global flood or other catastrophe, and he doesn't talk about underwater ruins or evidence of advanced technology in the ancient past. He also only wades out so far into astro-theology (ie pagan influences in Christianity, both early and medieval), and isn't willing to go any farther with it. But he's not a historian, just a mathematician. His historian colleagues at Moscow State University criticized him for this and tried to get him censored, complaining that he could not use statistical analyses to look at history in this way, but his response was that historians cannot tell him what statistics can or cannot be applied to, which seems reasonable enough to me.