[–] Syndicalism 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

What a magnificent creature. The coloring is awesome.

[–] bb22 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

And it’s a Virginian, just like Robert E. Lee’s war horse, Traveler.

[–] MyDrunkAccount 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

He's like a giant puppy

[–] Lazmat 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

thanks for this @mxcviel never seen this breed before, he moves like a young playful guard dog

[–] abattoirdaydream 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I like that spotted draft. But I gotta say, while your enthusiasm is nice to see, if the statue in your other post is even close to accurate to a true Karst, (and it was made 100 years after the purchase of Lippiza, long enough to change the breed quite a bit.) then I highly doubt the Karst has much if any draft blood. In fact the Lipizzaner (although spanished up, and probably a bit shorter than previously) is probably actually the closest thing to a true Karst still living, because: "The Karl II bought the village of Lipizza with the surrounding Karstland in 1580. His aim was to supply the Vienna Riding School with first class riding horses. He bought an established stud of Karst horses together with the village Lipizza."

The original Karst was prized for a riding horse, and for it's longevity. Pretty much every draft breed was originally not bred for riding, but field work, then moved into heavy battle later. The article doesn't suggest that the Karst was a work horse, but quite the contrary, being fast and favored for Roman horse racing. Chariot racing yes, but that was larger, riding types that were fast and had endurance at speed. Something almost no draft types have.

Now the Tolfetano horses, are in roughly the right place, and type to mix with a bit of spanish, and austrian breeding and you would get a 15-16hh horse with decent bone, a fine head and endurance under saddle, as shown in the statue and in descriptions. And don't forget Lipizzaners ARE, or were, war horses, with endurance and strength. Now imagine something like a Lipizzaner, a bit heavier, whose color didn't matter, pre-getting bought up by Karl II.

Maybe something like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-e4r1gCNfE

[–] mxcviel [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Well, I have something for you :) look at that picture: https://imgoat.com/uploads/13d407166e/137443.jpg

You are correct, Karl II bought an established stud of Karst horses together with Lipica (Lipizza in german) village, but that statue in Venice is 100 years older than first Lipizzaner was born - his mother was Karst horse and father was Andalusian horse.

At that time Habsburg Emperor Maximillian II wanted an elite horse for show-up, Habsburgs ruled both Spain and Austria.. so he brought Spanish Andalusians to Austria and his brother Archduke Karl II chose the summer manor of the Trieste bishop in Lipica for the location in 1578.

Before they brought first Spanish horses to breed with Karst horses there in 1581, they did an extensive work on landscape. This is important fact, so I've translated this in English: "In Lipica the meadows and pastures were arranged. For this purpose, the soil of numerous Karst valleys has been brought, so Lipica is still called Green oasis on the stone Karst. Then they started to afforestate. All this was sort of arranged in five years, because as early as 1585 the first manager of the stud farm, Franc Jurko, transmitted the message that a further and unhindered existence of the stud farm was ensured."

=> so different environment was needed for Spanish horses than native ones. This means that native Karst horses were stronger and more endurable, like any old war horse was - smart, fast but also tough. As Karst is Slovene-Slavic word and that parts were always more connected with ports in Trieste and Venice than to inland, I'm sure that the name for the same animal was also Venetic horse. And that name you can follow even before Roman times, when Celts had home in this places.

So that picture from the old bronze belt buckle from 6-5th century BC shows clash of cultures in this places. Right horse has small feet, that is good for soft grass and desert, but not for stone, uneven ground. The left horse has all the proportions of old Karst horse, or Venetic if you like that name better. Sadly I've slept through all my history classes, as I was more interested in natural science, so I have no clue what swastika sign on that horse is doing there in 500BC in this places, but interesting in that picture is interaction between horses - they seem to be only important intelligent forces to be there and in some conversation, and both humans more like puppets sitting on them. As history repeats maybe I didn't miss much in that boring history classes after all. :)

[–] BeefBourgignon 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Do you have some of link to info about karst horses? Google doesn't yield much.

[–] mxcviel [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

yes, God I'm really exited, I've finally found one by accident :) Here is something about Karst horse: http://archive.is/ApuAB and this is the old statue of this horse, https://imgoat.com/uploads/13d407166e/137248.jpg it is in Venice, Italy and made by Andrea del Verrocchio in 1480-1488. So, this Karst horse was the mother of Lipizzaner, but he was breed to be trained... But I've found that perhaps old french Percheron retained a lot from that old Karst horse, it is very possible because french were constantly trough these places, so maybe they bring this horse back from crusades and invasions etc and leave him naturally for centuries. Problem is, that today Percheron is too much working horse, but this one in video is breeded back with Spanish blood, SO : ) there you have it. Good that I'm not a farmer, I'd be on my way to US to buy the whole family of that horse :D

[–] bb22 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

It’s probably descended from war horses in our Civil War, which was mostly fought very close to where that horse is. The old South was very much like the Roman Republic. The Yankees even mocked us as “Romans” even though we were Protestant.

[–] mxcviel [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Weird, I see Google find almost nothing. Probably books are better idea, I guess about history or art, something that is older than political bias. But the horse is amazing anyways.

[–] Knackered 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I notice it's back is so steady - not much bouncing about while holding a lance.

[–] bosunmoon 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It took a horse to kill superman.

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[–] northm4nn 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

looks tough-- used to horses being a chick thing. this is refreshing.

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