[–] dias17se 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Absolutely, god was the old school big brother, it has been replaced with government.

[–] jcal22x 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

In short, yes. Most of the world's population is too stupid and apathetic to act with moral fortitude minus the threat of eternal damnation. Deep philosophical thought requires advanced critical thinking skills that some will never develop. For this reason, I believe children should be raised in church regardless of the parents' belief system. And if it just so happens that they come out at the high end of the IQ distribution curve, then they will find out for themselves just like you did.

[–] prairie 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

For this reason, I believe children should be raised in church regardless of the parents' belief system. And if it just so happens that they come out at the high end of the IQ distribution curve, then they will find out for themselves just like you did.

Basically a person earns freedom of thought only if they have the responsibility to use it well.

[–] hitch420 [S] 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

It is alarming to come to the realization that we are all mammals generally lacking the rationalization that many of the four horsemen of atheism assume we have. I don't have a direct quote from Hitchens but he would get extremely offended when one would ask him where his morals come from. His reply mostly leaning on a evolutionary perspective that we have all evolved with Christian morals that he himself held (an example of which would be his marriage) and that it is religion that causes man to degrade morally. This is simply not the case for most humans. Most of us feed off pleasure and fleeting whims. For this reason I may even become a closet atheist living a christian life. My fellow atheists generally are horrible people and so are Christians. Christians however face a consequence for their actions were as atheists have no historical system to keep their actions in check.

[–] prairie 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

It helps to not force intelligent, productive people to fund the opposite. Remove incentives to lower intelligence and you've solved half the problem.

At the most basic level, we can't grasp the biggest picture, we can only understand where we fit in and how to act to work in harmony with it. I see religion as one way to know how to act. If we have a tendency to worship things, we'd better worship something created specifically to mesh with this rather than something arbitrary like government, intellect, or technology.

[–] shawnfromnh69 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

I'm an atheist but not an asshole one so I respect others beliefs as long as they don't push them on me. As for morals I just use the golden rule and treat others as I'd like to be treated. I do this at work also by respecting my employer enough to try to exceed expectations and actually earn my money where a child tries to get in and get out and have fun. I work so hard I'm in pain all the time so fun is out but having a good job "not great" is more important than fun and the morals are hand in hand with a work ethic. I think that a lot of atheist forget that without hard work and everyone doing their part society as a whole fails to exist and collapses eventually. Their is not star trek like utopia where everyone is just taken care of since even that scenario requires everyone to work and be responsible and we also aren't to the point of food synthesizers and endless energy and materials to just do what we want. As for managing lower IQ's we need to adopt the China model of one child per couple and if you fuck up and have one with the wrong woman you and another woman don't have another shot at a baby. I think the world needs to forget right to breed to their desire since most that do that cannot hope to continue without government help "basically take part of another workers wages so you can do whatever you desire without regard". Rambled a lot there but just because someone does not believe in god does not excuse them from personal responsibility or them allowing others to run amok.

[–] hitch420 [S] 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Lacking a moral authority does cause some people to "run amok". Look at the atheist society and the liberals lack of faith and reason. Atheists are giving the human race too much credit on where our morals come from. They come from the society and traditions of our ancestors. Marriage as a system was held together by Christian doctrine and retribution. Forsaking religious christian tradition has left society of men worshiping women and the women worshiping fame and resources. This is what week minded fools without faith result too. The few atheists like yourself who can live respectable moral hard working lives are the exception. Religion is the opium for the masses and without it people find worse drugs to partake in.The root of my argument is that I would rather live in a Christian society than a godless one that we now inhabit, even as an atheist.

[–] Piroko 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

They come from the society and traditions of our ancestors.

Then we should simply follow Heinlein's example and structure society around what works simply "Because it works satisfactorily." You don't need a more compelling argument why, you don't need a deity in the sky, you just need experimental proof that what you're doing works.

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[–] Goat_Cheese_Cake 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago 

Why do people have friends?