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[–] chirogonemd 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

This is absolute horseshit. Free will was a gift for those God loved most of all His creation. This love for Man was one of the disposing factors that led to the enmity of Lucifer and his insurrection against God.

Free will is not a curse, however, it is a test. God is very clear about this. It opens the world to the influence of evil. That is the test. Your free will, or use thereof, demonstrates your character. This opens up people to the evil acts of others, certainly.

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[–] library_of_stupid 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

How can free will exist if God is omniscient? Either he knows what every human did, does and will do or he doesn't, and if he doesn't it means he is not omniscient. And if God is indeed omniscient, then why the need to have a human live some eight decades on Earth before being judged and place either in Heaven or Hell? Wouldn't God already know my fate from birth?

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[–] Martel-Sobieski 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago 

Your question is a human misunderstanding of how to fathom something existing at a dimension much higher than your own.

Free will and an omniscient being can exist together if that being is able to see all possible futures.

This would actually lead back to physics and the multiverse theory. If every decision branches off and creates a new universe an infinite number of times. A being existing on a higher dimension looking down would see it different than we see it. Same way to a flat 2D man he could only see the world in 2D but we're looking down in 3D and exist in 4D so we can see every path he takes and every path he could take and if we bent the paper in half he wouldn't perceive a difference but we could affect two points on his path at once.

The creator of a universe would be able to understand all outcomes in said universe using the rules he set up for said universe. For God those rules are called physics and the language it is written in is called math.

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[–] chirogonemd 0 points 1 points (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Knowledge of what will happen doesn't suggest that you are the presiding force which causes that event to happen. Consider for example that humans someday are able to distort space-time in a controlled way, perhaps creating a wormhole. Let's let alone travel by those means and just consider being able to observe future events by such means. Perhaps being able to peer into the future. Let's say you look 40 years into the future and see where you are. Where your friends are. Where your children are. Now, you have knowledge of WHAT WILL BE. Does that suggest you are the singular force - amidst all of the chaos - that would lead to each of those individual outcomes?

Humans may very well be making their own decisions, but a multi-dimensional being who created spacetime would certainly have the scope to know what happens without definitively forcing those events to happen.

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[–] chirogonemd 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Knowledge of good and evil doesn't suggest free will. A rule for living doesn't suggest taking away free will. They were given a rule and disobeyed that rule, and had eyes opened to a set of knowledge that spoiled their perfect existence as mortals. As far as I can tell, and any interpretation of the texts I've ever seen, God did give humans free will. This was the point of tension to do with the insurrection of the fallen ones. They resented that Man was given free will, while angels were essentially servants in their nature. We were given free will, and we were given a single rule by which to live in creation. Temptation by itself suggests free will. One cannot be tempted without first having free will.